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UK paedophile probed over Madeleine

576 replies

loopylou6 · 22/05/2009 08:22

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ToughDaddy · 27/05/2009 00:03

Don't think that i'll need the dosh. Dave Cameron is welcolming us all into his accessible broad church. I think he said on Desert Island Discs that the KGB approached him on the beach when he was a student [need to confirm this] so that is lefty enough for me.

Quattrocento · 27/05/2009 00:03

Oh I can't remember the exact amount TD, memory's getting a bit hazy. Think it was around £250k though ... Should I avoid work tomorrow to stay in for the cheque to be couriered to me?

violethill · 27/05/2009 00:05

Quattro - you were done!

expatinscotland · 27/05/2009 09:11

Oh, yes, Quattro, I contributed, too. Approximately the cost of a used Vauxhall Zafira in excellent condition, so that will do in lieu of cash.

Since ToughDaddy is keeping an eye on all of us (WTF? Get a life! emoticon)

MrsGuyOfGisbourne · 27/05/2009 09:18

Well that's media-monitoring for you, Expat! You can do a lot of that for 26k

expatinscotland · 27/05/2009 09:30

I guess so, MrsGuy. What a job! You can do it from home, too. Where do I sign up? I'd be far more discreet, too. I certainly wouldn't go in all guns blazing and tell people what I'm up to.

nikos · 27/05/2009 09:32

Are they using the fund at the moment for living expenses? I thought it was just at the beginning. Please tell me Kate McCann is not drawing a salary from the fund.

noddyholder · 27/05/2009 10:48

The whole thing is becoming farcical.The story is unravelling imo.

drlove8 · 27/05/2009 11:49

Shock Hmm

NationalFlight · 27/05/2009 11:52

I watched the C4 documentary this morning.

It really didn't help.

izyboy · 27/05/2009 12:06

'unravelling' ..snort....so is this thread!

Longtalljosie · 27/05/2009 13:23

"the thing I can't get past is the sniffer dog evidence."

At the Eugene Zapata trial in the states, the judge ruled cadaver dogs were no more reliable than the flip of a coin.

They certainly are nowhere near 100%, as claimed earlier in this thread.

This is why the McCanns managed to successfully sue - there was so much disinformation. Like the claims of DNA evidence - with big headlines saying 100% match - then a much smaller story like this one:

www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/nationalnews/Scientist-issued-McCann-DNA-warningarticle-250792-details/ar ticle.html

which gets virtually no attention.

noddyholder · 27/05/2009 13:38

Who did they succesfully sue?Those are the 2 most accurate police dogs of their type.The ex police they have working for them flew home even though they were still on German soil at the airport when the accused said he would talk.Sthey should have hot footed it back i know if i was paying them I would have insisted.

Longtalljosie · 27/05/2009 13:42

Oh you're right - those dogs are among the best in the world. It's just that the best in the world still leaves a pretty large error margin

MrsGuyOfGisbourne · 27/05/2009 14:16

And although they 'sued' it was not a court judgement, despite Clarry the Pink solemnly giving a press conference on the steps of the High Court for verisimiliturde - there was an out of court settlement by the Express. If they ever dared to sue someone tougher (Murdoch?) who has printed the same details the revelations in court would be fascinating...

MrsGuyOfGisbourne · 27/05/2009 14:17

verisimilitude

scarletlilybug · 27/05/2009 14:35

And why do we think the Express settled out of court, then....?

The same sniffer dogs were used in the Jersey abuse case and strongly indicated the presence of human remains, including a teenagers skull. Only they didn't - the "skull" turned out to be a piece of coconut shell and almost all the "human remains" turned out to be animal bones.
These dogs are not the "wonder dogs" that certain people like to imagine.

The investigation into the disappearance of the Madeleine McCann was halted "because no evidence was discovered of any crime committed by the suspects," - according to Attorney-General Fernando Pinto Monteiro, who presumably knows a whole lot more about the case than do any of us here, or indeed anyone posting at one of the worrying number of hate-sites.

About time that certain people accepted this fact, instead of trying to distort the truth to fit their own agendas.

izyboy · 27/05/2009 14:58

Absolutely scarlet, all the 'wondering', 'presuming' and 'assuming' based on scraps from the internet or papers 'proves' not a jot. There has been no conclusive evidence and as of the present time there is no court case.

MrsGuyOfGisbourne · 27/05/2009 15:02

The case was halted because there was no evidence of abduction.

noddyholder · 27/05/2009 15:31

A couple of straight answers at the start and they would never have been suspects!

bobbysmum07 · 27/05/2009 15:51

You just can't explain away the bloke who returned to the table in clean clothes after his '3 year old child vomited on him'.

I can't accept that that could be true. That anyone could be that bad a parent. And willing to say such a thing to the police.

nikos · 27/05/2009 16:11

That is what is so bizarre about this case and what keeps people talking about it - that they do seem to have been so cavalier with their childrens safety. I don't think they were involved in Madeleines disappearance, what possible motive could any of them have.
But they were all clever people (I know that doesn't rule out bad behaviour, but it does make you think they could think of consequences to their choices). Leaving a vomiting child on her own???

Longtalljosie · 27/05/2009 16:23

bobbysmum - what happened was that the father returned to the flat and found his daughter had been sick. He sorted her out, changed, went back to the restaurant (across the pool), and told his wife who then left the restaurant and stayed with her.

Which is not "explaining away". It's just realising that things can be made to sound a lot worse than they are.

Reference here

NationalFlight · 27/05/2009 16:24

Nikos, as regards motive, I would guess that's why people have suggested she was injured or killed in an accident...possibly involving medication, or something else more innocuous...the only motive necessary in that case would be concealing the truth, either in a panic or in a more considered way.

I cannot imagine there was any deliberate harm or violence...only deliberate deceipt/concealment iyswim following accidental or unplanned circumstances.

Again...no evidence either way, it is just my thoughts and probably right off track.

NationalFlight · 27/05/2009 16:25

deceit, sorry