Marnie Pearce - latest from Amnesty

[BizzieLizzie1]

www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=18171

Stainesmassif and Lalaonglegs, thank you for your words. What I actually find unacceptable here is bullying. Saint2shoes, do you have a real interest in these threads? I see what you are doing and ask you is it really necessary to come onto these threads with the purpose of defending your friend, by trying to make out that I am "odd" and "weird" and speaking as though I am not here? This may be your own experience of others towards you in the real world(?) and it may make you feel better to try to make others feel bad, but it isn't actually very kind, and I should not have to have to put up with this. BL XXX

BizzieLizzie- thanks from me too for helping to highlight the case...here's to a happy outcome.

Hardly bullying, just pointing out the fact that someone joining a website and flooding the boards with threads about one topic only is a bit odd, and doesn't exactly show one as wanting to be part of the community of that website.

Nothing wrong with raising the plight of an individual, although again most of what you have posted here has been cut and pasted from other websites, so is more like an advertisement than a personal quest..

This is a public forum. Anyone has the right to post what they want, where they want. So as much as you have the right to post numerous threads about this case, others have the right to voice alternative opinions about it.

That does not constitute bullying.

"but disagreeing with a law does not mean we can ignore it

I don't agree with wannabe but your position is a bit flaky "

I am being flakey? There is no evidence that Marnie Pearce did anything wrong. Only her husbands word against his. Wannabe constantly asserts Marnie consciously did something wrong. There is no evidence she had an affair, but plenty that he did. If people still want to make their own narratives up for their own entertainment thats fine, but they shouldn't confuse the facts with their fantasies.

2shoes, please can we stop with the playground tactics. It's so pathetic and really demeans MN. There is absoulely no law against someone joining MN (and whos to say they haven't been a lurker for some time - many exist) and posting on somthing that you feel passioately about.

Calling somebody 'weird' might not be bullying, but it is pretty pathetic

Under muslim law, a married woman cannot be in the company of a man who is not her husband or related to her. As a woman living in a muslim country, Marnie Pearce would have known that. Yet she was in the company of another man who was not her husband (yes they were separated but were still married). So while she may not actually have committed adultery, (and realistically we really don't know whether she did or didn't), she did consciously do something which she knew was against the law.

At no point have I said that Marnie pearce deserved to go to prison. What I have said is that when you go to a country where the law favours men over women, then you do so in the knowledge that if you break one of those laws, you may not be immune from punishment, be that rightly or wrongly in the eyes of the country of which you are a citizen.

It really comes down to the fact that women should perhaps think twice before marrying a man from one of these countries in the first place. Because even if things don't get this far, these marriages rarely have a happy outcome if things go wrong, and losing the kids is more than often the outcome.

Wannabe, I am not referring to other's opinions here, I am referring to what I believe is bullying on Twoshoes' part, which I have experienced previously. You seem to also be on your own personal quest here too Wannabe. I believe that you would like to see the campaign team for Marnie Pearce fail, for whatever reasons - although I believe that one of them is that you would like to prove yourself right. You have told us in the past that Marnie's so called supporters have done nothing to help Marnie, that their petition was useless, that they never had any intention of handing it in.. that they should have been fighting the deportation order surely.. (of course they were doing that!) and so on and so on.. picking apart everything you can, saying that you are being not negative, but realistic. But these women have actually worked very hard and are working in a very united way - and it's amazing actually what they are achieving - and I believe and hope that they will continue to achieve something amazing and that Marnie and her children will be reunited.

So the law is trhe law - you shouldn't flout it, and if you do you know whats coming to you?

Where would democracy be today had people been such drones and not fought against oppresion and for universal human rights. Marnie's case just highlights that this fight is far from over.

Women "should think twicebefore marrying a man from one of these contries"? So you would like to replace one tyranny against female fredom of choice with another. Nice

Ballina, I don't think Marnie did anything wrong and I think everything should be done to secure her release.

It seems plain she did break some outrageous law or other, but I don't see why that should stop people campaigning for her release, because in our eyes what happened is so unfair and unkind and morally if not legally unjust.

Campaigning for the laws themselves to change is something entirely different. You'd have to accept the right of other countries to campaign for changes in our laws too.

Thats an argument of infinite regress Bored, it's where all cultural reletivism leads - nowhere

I hav not called anyone weird!
to call someone weird you would have to say"* you are weird"
the weird was a comment about the post.
I do find it weird that someone would use mn to campaing, the moment the campain is over or on hold, would then say how crap mn is.

I have reported the personal attacks

I find this really quite sad and yes it is like being in a playground. There's a lot of great stuff here on Mumsnet I've seen it, and some good stuff written here and I would love to have posted elsewhere - I'm having a baby, have two little ones, and if I'd known about Mumsnet, I would probably have joined along time ago and found it very useful - and perhaps found some others who don't get much sleep! However I have not exactly found my experience very welcoming from certain posters. In the real world I can choose my friends, and whom I engage with, but here in the virtual world it seems I have little choice - as Wannabe rightly points out, you can post where you like and say what you like - and therefore Mumsnet is probably not for me. But I left my school playground 20 years ago and if you think I'm going to go off to say "how crap mn is" you're not really talking about me. In the real world I'm quite cool and I think I'll keep it that way! .

BizzieLizzie1 you should try posting, mn has its ups and downs like any place, but the support can be brilliant. Just because people don't agree on one thread, doesn't stop them agreeing on another iynwim.
stay and give it a go

all that aside.
can anyone tell me abit more about her husband and why he would take such drastic ation

He was having an affair, I believe- with another expat.....I don't think he's taken drastic action as such- it's just the way it works there...she was found "having a cup of tea with a colleague" and automatically the police get involved because she's committed a crime.
All very sad.

had they already slit up

Don't know- it's all a bit confusing tbh- some of the support sites talk about him being her ex-husband, but I don't think it's gone that far yet.
One poster on here knew her sister, (or something) I don't think it was BizzieLizzie though- one of the other threads...

Yes, they had split up but they hadn't divorced. It seems it was an easy action for him to take and, I'm sure if the law was the same in the UK, there would be no shortage of men willing to exploit it.

2shoes who are you on about?

If you want to know the history look at Save Marnies Babies site and read it there. There are links to the site all over MN and have been for weeks. But just in case you made up your mind without reading anything about it, here it is again [[http://www.costapages.com/savemarniesbabies/00

www.costapages.com/savemarniesbabies/

Ballina sorry I miss spelt I meant to say "split up" sorry.

No, sorry, I meant this "I do find it weird that someone would use mn to campaing, the moment the campain is over or on hold, would then say how crap mn is." and personal attacks?

according to the papers it says she'd thrown him out over his affair with some other woman.

Even if they'd split up though, if she had started another relationship before they were divorced he could file for adultery. It's the same in this country - if you sleep with someone within six months of separating the grounds for divorce can still be adultery even if you're not living together.