bodies of mum and daughter found

[mrstimlovejoy]

in a lake at back of their house.just been on sky news.
no other details given,very sad.

A formal identification will take place tomorrow at the post mortem.

A formal identification will take place tomorrow at the post mortem.

fio I can not see how my worring has anything to do with it.

Not evil, just ground down, worn out, strssed, isolated, depressed. Not an excuse, of course, merely perhaps an explanation.

Insensitive Fio.

fio did you know her?

This is our local news area (mind, these days so is OCrnwall and I am in WalesLOL!)

It once flashed across my mind that maybe when I died I owuld have to take ds3 with me; the difference between me (and BOF?) and this woman is I would never ever do it.

Not sure about evil, wrong certainly

dh has had mental illness btw

which is why wrong not evil

hios thougts werent in reality, I just couldnt make the boxes tick: everything in his head screamed everyone wanted to get him / he wasworthless/ we'd be better offwith him dead

horrible time

I don't know why Fio's getting in the neck here - is it too much of a stretch to try and understand before you write somebody off as evil?

On this one I am just going to have to agree to disagree with you 2shoes.

I'm signing out for today now - between this and the poverty thread I feel pretty shit now, and MN is usually good fun for me. See youse tomorrow x

BitOfFun what an odd thing to say.
can people only post now if they agree with you or fio??
I have my opioun on this, I am allowed that. I haven't seen a news item saying that the mother was depressed and from the one I did read her child was not described as bing severly disabled.

Not evil no. But I despair at the automatic assumption that the mother must have a mental illness.

Not everyone with a mental illness will kill themselves and their children.

When fathers commit suicide and take their kids with them, people are not so kind to them. Mothers to it and people assume they are mentally ill.

I don't think that assumption is nice at all.

Perhaps she did, perhaps she didn't. It's the assumption that has got my goat.

Her daughter did have cerebral palsy.

Rhubarb you put that well thanks

Yes did have CP, no idea how severely impaired she was though.

Rhuby you phrased that well.

FioFio surely if it is just speculation then I am allowed to speculate that she might have been evil.

Peachy I assumed her dd wasn't severley disabled as she coud walk short disatnces, that with my small knowledge of cp made me think it wasn't severe.

But that is what is so wrong.

You are speculating that if she did have a mental illness, that is reason enough for why she did it.

Which is, frankly, bollocks.

I don't think the daughter's CP was very severe.

But actually I think the cp could be relevant. The mother could be depressed perhaps because of a lack of support for her daughter, there are surely enough posters on mn who can empathize with that? And perhaps her depression could lead her to a point where she could no longer continue with her life, except that she knew that if she ended her own life, the support her daughter had, i.e. her, would no longer be there, and perhaps in her state of mind she could see no other option than to end it for the both of them.

If her daughter had been let down by the system, the professionals, those who were supposed to look out for her welfare, would a mother consider leaving her behind? without her there to champion her cause?

Or perhaps it wasn't suicide at all. On the local news (and this is local to me as south surney is about 10 miles from here) they said that the two had been seen with a man on the day they disappeared.

How do you kill yourself and then throw your body into a lake anyway?

There you go Fio. You are annoyed because people are presuming she killed her daughter because her daughter had CP.

I am annoyed because people are presuming the mother must have had a mental illness in order for her to kill herself and her child, and that this excuses her actions.