COT DEATH

[nannyoakley]

I'd be interested knowing what anyone thinks about cot death being in the news so much and what your thoughts are on cot death. Most parents are left confused by what to do and we hear from people all the time wanting to know what is going on - why there are so many cot death parents being released from prison, why they were ever in prison in the beginning. The main gist of our campaign is to make sure our news about mattress wrapping for cot death prevention reaches the public, and give parents an informed choice, we believe it should be the parents who decide what they want to do - and believe me, we hear from people every day wanting to know about the Cot Life campaign.

Please ask questions / tell me what you think about what you are hearing in the news and reading on the internet, your thoughts are valuable to me and I think this is a serious issue that needs public debate.

Hope you can help.
Many thanks
Julee

and that's not the only one she's sold

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and her about me page..........

May I ask if you've ever met this Dr. Sprott, nannyoakley ?

Where ? When ? and may I ask how old he is ?

Why is Dr Sprott the only person to have discovered this nannyoakley?

Yeah, I get a wierd feeling in my genes sometimes when I turn over. Maybe if I turn really slowly it would be OK ?

I feel desperately sorry for anybody who has lost a child to cot death, I'm sure we all do.

But I don't think that scaremongering with pseudoscience helps anyone.

If everyone else has gone to bed...

oh not again! will say what I said last time- buy any mattress in the uk- eveb el cheapo ones from say toys r us and they're all free of these chemicals now.

I can't believe the reaction on MN to this poster! What the feck is happening here???.... so what if she's trying to sell mattresses free of those chemicals.... so what if she's making money from it..... its a good cause. MN are trying to make money.... don't hear anyone slating them since their intentions are good.

Really folks, ffs. This is most likely motivated by the death of her child. So probably feels very strongly about this. As other posters who have lost children through NHS malpractice or preventable illnesses!!! Whats the difference here?

I really feel the MN team should step in here and stop this slating of a MN'er who is oly trying to help. Perhaps her research and info isn't totally up to the minute and completely accurate according to what you have all read elsewhere.... but the debate really is still open about cot death so why don't you all give her break! and

Hi Toothache. Under 'normal' circumstances, I'd agree with you.

However, you might want to read her thread a few months ago, and read the links it contains, and re-read this thread and read the links / info it contains. And maybe then google her spam postings through midwivery / cot death groups and then compare her advice and suggestions with supported best practice from the 'mainstream' Cot Death societies.

I find it a bit disturbing that Nanny Oakley is telling parents they must NOT use baby sleeping bags. As far as I can tell FSIDs recommend the use of baby sleeping bags over any other potentially loose bedding.

NannyOakley - I have never come across you on here before but why can you not admit that your argument is flawed and you are exploiting parents fears?

Even if there were a widely proven link between SIDS and matresses containing arsenic, phosphorus and antimony there is no reason for you to be endorsing these matresses to British parents because matresses in the UK do not contain arsenic, phosphorus and antimony. End of story.

I can't believe you are permitted to advertise and market your matress covers in such a manner on ebay, spouting unofficial research. I wonder if there is someone in ebay that this can be reported to or if they care.

Anyway, we care, and I don't think you should be bringing your marketing and advertising here, scaring parents into putting their hands into their pockets needlessly.

If you really, genuiniely have a concern to spread the word about preventing cotdeath, you would not be ignoring the Back to Sleep Campaign nor the advice about smoking around babies. If I were a parent who'd lost a baby to cotdeath, I'd be supporting the most up to date research and waiting, hoping, that a very conclusive reason for these tragic deaths could be found.

If infact you really have lost a baby to SIDS, it is doubly disgusting to be exploiting your child for financial gain. If you are not gaining money for endorsing the matresses, then I think you need pyschological help. Perhaps in your grief your brain has plugged into this one area of research and you have used it as a way of getting over your baby's death. If that is the case, it does not sound healthy and I'd urge you to seek help.

Hub2dee- I remember her previous postings. I had a look at the links too. I just can't understand why everyone has went off on one. Its really terrible to see this. Come on folks.... what IF this woman really has lost her baby and has set up a business selling mattresses that are free from heavy metals and other nasty substances???

Nobody seems to care..... just care about whether her research is the same as they have read before... or her research matches the popular beliefs about SIDS at the moment. I'm actually quite shocked by a few posts.

Irishbird - On the contrary Nannyoakley didn't disappear! She stopped posting at midnight so I presume she went to bed and hasn't wnet back online yet this morning. For goodness sake folks!

But clearly she didn't disappear. She stayed around for 3 hours 'debating' this. I just don't understnad that last sentence in your post if you were not implying that she ran away when questioned.

Anyway, if I was her I wouldn't come back. In fact if I was new to MN and read this I wouldn't come back either.

Toothache, not sure you have really read the threads that well, TBH. She doesn't sell mattresses. She sells mattress covers.

Magic pieces of glorified clingfilm which will prevent your baby dieing on a mattress.

I would suggest that her advice does a DIS-SERVICE in the cot death space. The major cot death societies have specifically spoken out about the mattress wrapping products and condemned them and the arguments used to support them.

Yes, maybe everyone should have just ignored it, but then people who were particularly concerned (or personally affected) by cot death might perhaps just see nannyoakley's post and not know there is AN IMMENSE lack of evidence to support the mis-information put about by cotlife2000.

Oooooo Hub2dee.... sorry for my typo, Mattress, mattress covers... who cares!
My point I'm trying to make is that this woman has been condemned on the basis that her opinion/thoughts/theories are not the popular and widely documents views at the moment regarding SIDS. Her info may be a bit inaccurate, or may not be the same as other SIDS websites, but again, it's what she believes. I see many MN'ers on here promoting websites that they are involved with!!!! Special Needs in particular. Posting links to websites that posters feel will benefit some MN'ers. This IMO is no different. And, as the trend on MN at the moment, people have jumped on the bandwagon and condemned.

Feckin sick if it.

Well said Toothache.

I'm sorry you obviously feel so angry about how this was handled. Of course people are able to point out / link / discuss whatever they see fit.

The problem is that when you start delving into the information it just doesn't stand up.

NannyOakley has created two threads on MN. There has been no constructuve / useful discussion of cot death or support for other people in the same situation. I feel it's a scam, whether she is playing an informed role or an innocent role in it I cannot tell.

I think the most telling point is that SHE DOES NOT answer questions (with anything like a cogent reponse) and infact the simplest way to see this is Irishbird's direct point that even if Sprott's findings are right, by their own admission, mattress covers wouldn't be needed on new mattresses in the UK for 16 years now.

After the first few responses she got I'm not surprised she's not falling over herself to offer support. How could there be a constuctive debate after teh first few posts Hub2dee??? If I had that response on a thread I'd started I'd have been livid and upset.... she posted a non confrontational post inviting a debate/opinion. Immediately she was shot down in flames.

Hostile/volatile/confrontational... are words that come to mind when I read a few threads on the go at the moment including this one.

Does everyone delve into the background of every post?? I think I'll choose a random MN poster and search back on all their posts... looking for discrepencies in the info they've given. Then I'll come back and find a thread they are on and condemn them as a liar and troll or whatever else people are labelled as here.

Also, she's advertising products, really, while pretending she's starting a discussion.

If you're advertising products, there's a place for that here, you should be clear about what you're doing, and pay MN for the priviledge.

I porobaly should stop posting here for a minute as I'm so bloody fuming about it. There were 6 posts slating her and 'reporting' her before there was a question asked! Constructive debate Hub2dee??? yes I agree it should have been, but it's not Nannyoakley's fault that there wasn't.

[fuming emoticon]

JulieF on my link

That is why I put the link. There is no need for mattress wrapping in this country (on my link Ghosty details why it is common practice in NZ - I have no problems with that and found Ghosty's reasoning far more compelling than nannyoakley's) Anyone who bombards bereaved parents with emails telling them that mattress wrapping could have prevented their loss is, at best, misguided, at worst...well. I am sorry for nannyoakley's loss, I understand why she is zealous about this - but it is scaremongering with no basis in scientific fact. She is entitled to offer her opinions - others are entitled to argue that she is wrong.

Toothache, there is no way I could have read nannyoakley's post last night and not have posted my link. I stand by my reaction.