Baby killed by family dogs

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Cant believe there is another story like this:

news.aol.co.uk/family-dogs-maul-baby-to-death/article/2009020713191350252763

Surely there are many more risks you take every day when having young children.

You can have a dog with a young child in a safe environement.

You adopt the same risk assessment as you would crossing a road for example.

I do agree that you should research suitable dogs for familys with little ones though.

the problem with lots of family dogs that attack tho is that the owners have got so used to the dog that they forget that it actually could just 'turn'.

it is not just bad owners, it is relaxed owners that are as bad

Why is it the dogs and not the irresponsible owners that get the blame every time?! It makes my blood boil.

You have to be crazy to leave a dog (any dog) with a small child. They make jerky movements and pull tails/pinch ears etc.

We have a staffie/collie cross who is very good with children, especial ours but I will never, ever leave her alone with a child.
I love my dog too much to see her destroyed because a child has inadvertently provoked her.

Why do people never learn!

in this case the baby was 3 months so i dont think it was pulling ears or tails

The baby must have jumped out and provoked the dog???

last time I saw a 3mth baby they were not able to roll, let alone chase and provoke and poke a dog!

surely tho as an owner of a dog, you would teach said dog not to react, as much as you would teach your child not to play with the dog??

no but they do jerk around don't they.

but you have patently just missed my point haven't you suggest you read my post again

YOU DON'T LEAVE CHILDREN AND DOGS ALONE

Is that clear enough now

sheesh, some people

Staffs not a nanny dog, its english bull terriers that are named as 'the' nanny dog.

I'm sorry but i am gonna stick my neck out here. I have a rottweiller..he's an angel. But not allowed alone in the room with my new DS at any cost. He has been allowed to say hello, and not be left out, but his room is the kitchen/rest of the house, no living room no bedrooms, so he knows not to go in those rooms, with or without baby in them.

If the killer dog was a rottie or GSD there would be people here who know an 'evil' one, or there would be more calls for banning the breed/muzzling..

It is a terrible thing for the baby but i am sorry to say the DC should not have been left alone or in a position where these dogs to get to it. Obv these dogs had the run of the house and were probably treated as members of the family and not like DOGS and shown their place in the pecking order. This in turn leads to tragedies such as this very very sad story.

shame on the 3mth baby for jerking.

it obviously asked for it then

will you READ the damn post?? No, the baby did not ask for it but they are able to provoke, hence they should never be left alone together

has anyone read the report???

this happened at MIDNIGHT.

the baby was likely either asleep, or being fed by the gran (obviosuly I am wildly guessing here as there is no confirmation of this as yet), so at a WILD) guess, I would say it is just a mad dog going bonkers rather than a baby purposly going for the dog to wind it up!

Then obviously it is the owners fault entirely for not securing a dog overnight with a baby in their house.

(hides thread as this is obviously going to get stupid)

I am sorry but I really do not understand why people have a dog as a pet when they wouldn't leave them alone with any child.

The risk is just too great.

And Diedindevon, I sincerely hope your dog isn't as angry and short tempered as you are.

Dogs and children do not mix.
I was sat in Tesco cafe yesterday and a couple of well dress young women tied 2 staffy dogs outside, a male and a female, they sat nicely and waited for the owners to come back.
The female was a very timid little dog and the male was very protective of her, two teenagers came along and started teasing the poor dogs, the female cowered and shook and the male barked and pulled on the leash, going from a well behaved quite animal to one that was ready to attack (I admit part of me thought if it bit the stupid chav teasing it then fair do) but the dog turned from placid to attack in the blink of an eye. There is no way I would put a dog like this or any other near a child.

Poor family, dogs are pack animals and not so long ago were wild animals, and no matter how well you treat a dog of think you know a dog this can and will happen. child and a dog should NEVER be left alone together

Sorry forgot to say, as soon as DS is old enough to poke/prod ect he will be taught not to and to respect the dog.

Any fool can see, my dogs paw is the size of my DS' head ffs, and the dog could EASILY fit his mouth around the whole baby, sorry to put it in this way but it reminds me daily why the dog should not even be in the same room, a clumsy step and he could badly scratch DS, if not worse. The dog and DS can and will live together and be taught respect for each other, i had a rottie pup when my DD was born (not recommended, baby and pup together (sigh) ) who was then 3 when my DS1 was born, she was placid as the day is long but she snapped at him once as he poked her eye with a teddy, from then on he...HE was taught not to harrass her, and how to treat her with respect, and i never had another problem, no, i wasn't a relaxed owner either at the time, but he did crawl into the kitchen while i wasn't looking..cue hasty purchase of a dog gate for the kitchen

Well brought up and trained kids AND well brought up and trained family dogs are a wonderful thing to have and can give each other so much. It saddens me greatly to hear of stories like the above and to know it was more than likely preventable, and the ensuing dog hating that goes on is terrible, after the rottie attack on the baby in the pub last year i had people crossing the road to keep away from my dog, and demanding that he be muzzled, got thrown off the bus with him because people were screaming,
Backing out of this thread now because it is a sad story but infuriating as well

Oh how awful, thats so so sad

I am a dog owner, I am a dog lover. My dog is fantastic. But never, not ever, is she allowed with my children without me or dh being there. It isn't difficult to follow through - I leave the room, she leaves the room. Simple. No excuses.

No dog, regardless of how 'soft' they are should be allowed alone around babies or children.

I'm not a staffy or a terrier fan at all, but the fault in these tragedies lies not with the dogs but with the people who ignore the fact that EVERY dog is a potential threat!

JMHO.

So very sad
My thoughts and prayers are with baby Jaden's family

Bluesapphire, can I ask why you chose a Rottie as a dog?
I ask as am interested, my step sister had one and have to say that, even as someone petrified as dogs, she was lovely and very well trained. But she had her waay before any DC.

psychomum - gran couldn't have been feeding the baby as the report says that neighbours heard gran screaming when she discovered what had happened.

Dogs and baby must have been left alone

I thought your post was very sensible DiedandgonetoDevon.

Young children should NEVER be left alone with a dog.

Kimi, my dog is placid and has been teased while tied up outside a shop, and went into attack mode as you call it, i flew outside and gave the little shits a right round of fucks ('scuse my language )

The dog looked more surprised then they did, they looked terrified lol, and the dog has never gone for anyone again even if they are teasing (obv. knows he has me to protect him )

Kids WILL tease, and dogs will go for them, dogs do not like to be wound up and teased any more than we do.
I had a word with parents of little b'stards involved and told them if the dog had broke his lead their kids would have been badly hurt, they responded in the right way by getting kids to apologise and giving kids the earful about respecting dogs and not teasing, in front of me. I was very pleased with this, it is something i would have done myself, had my child done the same thing.
My dog knows that i will protect him therefore he doesn't need to attack anyone. And i'm a far worse sight than any rottie in a mood lol.

This is NOT a nation of dog lovers by a long shot. People are cruel to animals on a daily basis and kids are brought up with no respect hence their teasing of a dog that is tied up.
Thin line between defencless dog being picked on and granny being subjected to the same if you ask me.
Dogs attack sometimes as protection. I would have hoped the same as you that the chavvy little shit had been bitten but then again, the dog would have to be destroyed and the kid gets compo and lives to tease another tied up dog.

In the case of this baby the dogs should have been locked away from the baby. END OF.

Lizzy.. hiya. Yes i chose my dog breed as they are loyal and very loving, great protection dogs if thats what floats your boat, and are adaptable, just one of my fave breeds tbh, i've always been happy with them.
I found this one wandering around looking thin as a stick and he has been with us since, has NEVER put a foot wrong apart from pissing in the kitchen which was my fault having left him inside all day while i took DS1 to hospital ..and emptying the bin bag if he can despite being a fat well fed oaf..

Hi Blue,
My Stepsister's rottie was lovely, the only dog I ever really liked (apart from my Stepmom's westie!), knew her from a puppy and grew to love her. I was still wary of her though.
You sound very responsible and realistic.
I have to be careful on thread about dogs as I really don't like them (cat person) so that does cloud my judgment.

Why has diedandgone got such a backlash on this thread??
The post stated that children are innocent and dog owners have the main responsibility to keep both child and dog safe.
Children do pull ears/tails from a very young age where it is difficult to teach respect therefore it is the owners responsibility to manage this.
She never said the 'child' deserved it ???