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Tory expelled for dressing as Madeleine McCann

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RockinSockBunnies · 09/01/2009 18:53

Here

Does the reaction strike anyone else as a little OTT? Of course it's in bad taste, but the point of the evening was that it was a Bad Taste Party. Friends of mine have been to these dressed in a variety of outfits (Nazi uniforms - the party was held by Jewish people in a Jewish area), one went dressed as an anorexic, two people stuck themselves together as conjoined twins.

Obviously it's sick and twisted, but that's the point of the party. A black sense of humour sometimes helps people get through life.

Will probably get flamed for this but I think it's a bit of an over-reaction to boot someone out of the Tory Party for going to a Bad Taste Party wearing something in bad taste. Mind you, the guy was an idiot for posting photos on facebook if he aspired to a political career

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DumbledoresGirl · 10/01/2009 10:48

A boy his age would dress in mismatched clothes anyway. He couldn't be expected to dress in his normal attire to go to a fancy dress party

NomDePlume · 10/01/2009 10:48

"But then I approve of sick humour as a good way of slapping down the sort of people who are always getting squawkily officious and witlessly sentimental over stuff that is nothing to do with them anyway."

I love that quote solidgold

Mamazon · 10/01/2009 10:49

as usual i am with you SGB

PavlovtheCat · 10/01/2009 10:51

sick. A bit more than bad taste as it is very recent. and a vial of fake blood. Nice.

Fine for students to be twats. But NOT people that we want to run our country eh? I wonder why he was not told to stop being so fucking idiotic.

madwomanintheattic · 10/01/2009 11:52

i went to hollywood party as a jaws extra a few years ago. it wasn't exactly the expected thing (think marilyn monroe and loads of blokes in black tie), but that's half the point, isn't it? if you want people to notice your fancy dress, you don't want to be the fiftieth bloke in a no-dad jumper and kipper tie...
i think that whilst it shows a lack of judgement, it shows an immense amount of imagination. i do understand that when you are considering the chap in question for public office you may well value judgement over imagination, but i strongly suspect his current peer group (and actually anyone of that age, whether FC or not) would go for imagination every time...
interesting conundrum. grey with good judgment or colourful but somewhat unpredictable...

Hulababy · 10/01/2009 11:55

It is sick. Dressing as MM and Baby p is obviously just not right? How can, apparently clever people like these, even think it might be funny? Where is their common sense and sense of ethics?

RockinSockBunnies · 10/01/2009 12:37

Yes it's sick and twisted and horrible. But that was the point of the party. It was a private party where those invited vied to out-do each other in terms of shocking costumes.

I still think it was an overreaction to kick him out of the Tory party though. But then again, he was an idiot for allowing the photos to be put on facebook in the first place. Sure the guy probably lacks sensitivity and didn't think about the repercussions of his actions but he's a young student and possibly deserves to be cut a bit of slack.

Most politicians of any major political party have done things in their youth that were no doubt inadvisable.

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nkf · 10/01/2009 12:48

A bad taste party is naff. Very Young Conservative. They used to go in for tarts and vicars party. Also naff. Why shouldn't they kick him out? It's their party. If he's too much of an idiot even for them, time to say bye bye.

ScottishMummy · 10/01/2009 12:50

agree with expulsion,inherent in any political party membership is adherence to norms and values of part.party cannot be associated with this fuckwittery

shocking and tasteless.scary that he could have potentially been an electoral candidate,held MP post

bluebellwood · 10/01/2009 14:11

He was young, stupid, arrogant, lacking in life experience and empathy. But he's young and, hopefully, in time, he'll gain some maturity. He may have a child of his own one day, then he'll understand.

foxytocin · 10/01/2009 14:19

let us take out of the equation that madeleine and baby p were children for a sec and consider that these 20 yr olds were making light of kidnap and torture of 2 people.

surely lack of life experience/chidren is pretty weak defense for people who are supposedly intelligent enough to gain entry to University College of London. maybe they are autistic.

madwomanintheattic · 10/01/2009 14:44

nkf - don't think they kicked him out for his costume, they kicked him out because someone got a look at this facebook page and started a media frenzy. totally different thing.

actually, you know, i'd much prefer the people who lead the country to have actually made a few mistakes and learnt from them than have it run by people who have are so confined to the straight and narrow they have never put a foot wrong... and actually i'd bet you wouldn't find any anyway.

in a private setting where as rockin says, the whole point was to outdo each other in terms of shock value, i'd say he won hands down. until the media got unnecessarily involved because someone wanted to make a few bob out of the news of the world, or whoever started the witch hunt in the first place.

hopefully they will all have learnt that you can't even trust your friends, and that the internet really is a public place lol.

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policywonk · 10/01/2009 14:54

at 'clueless little ninny'

I think we should be careful not to equate 'free-thinking' with 'unfettered creative genius'. 'Free-thinking' on the part of clueless ninnies doesn't often result in iconoclastic brilliance; it usually produces embarrassing rubbish (as in this case).

When I was a student, I used to encounter people who found this sort of thing amusing. They weren't, as a rule, very bright. Mind you, neither is the average party politician I suppose.

madwomanintheattic · 10/01/2009 15:02

ok. did the bloke in the superman costume and wheelchair get asked to leave too? (or do we not care about christopher reeve's wife, because well, he wasn't a 3 yo...)

just curious, because it looked very much to me that they all did quite well working out what was in bad taste? i would debate 'clueless little ninny' in terms of his choice of attire, I think he did quite well in picking something in bad taste) but I would allow you the 'clueless little ninny' by not realising that posting your pics on the world wide web was likely to be a bad move in the long run...

i do wonder whether the party organisers are feeling it went well, or whether they perhaps wonder if they ought to be a bit more specific on the invitations next time, or just frisk everyone for cameras and camera phones on the way in...

i suspect they thought it went blardy well and a good time was had by all until the facebook/ media frenzy started.

i can see that the tories would find it problematic, but any other student bash? meh.

policywonk · 10/01/2009 15:19

I think the whole idea of a 'bad taste party' is pretty suspect, myself. I wouldn't make them illegal or anything, but I reserve the right to think judgy thoughts about those who participate, especially if they're thoughtlessly ridiculing personal contemporary tragedies in an attempt to make themselves look 'edgy'.

But them I'm an enthusiastic proponent of political correctness and I thought Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand should both have been sacked, so my thinking on this is all of a piece.

SwedesInACape · 10/01/2009 15:29

DP went to a bad taste party once ...... dressed as a Tory. Which kind of freaks me out because he is a Tory.

madwomanintheattic · 10/01/2009 15:31

swedes, that's v funny... did he win a prize?

ElfOnTheTopShelf · 10/01/2009 16:45

While I agree it was stupid and in bad taste, he is a young person who, in general, are open to making stupid errors of judgement.

He hasn't killed anybody or injured anybody.

ScottishMummy · 10/01/2009 19:36

i wouldn't be so quick to lump all young 'uns as a homogeneous mass.not all like this insensitive idiot

killed someone?no.potentially evoked an upsetting response from parents who dont know were their wee girl is

that is callous
ok leaves no physical abrasion,but bet it hurt

seeker · 10/01/2009 21:44

5 agree scottishmummy. I expect my dcs to make some catastrophically cretinous mistakes as young adults. I am as sure as they can be that they will not go to a party dressed as baby P. Or as Madeline McCann - with or without fake blood.

I am pretty sure they won't be Young Conservatives either - although I may just have to bite the bullet on that one!

pocketmonster · 10/01/2009 22:53

'But then I approve of sick humour as a good way of slapping down the sort of people who are always getting squawkily officious and witlessly sentimental over stuff that is nothing to do with them anyway'

So if I find the MM or BabyP cases shocking, sickening and upsetting I'm a witless sentimentalist...or have I misunderstood the post?

I thought it was because I was human, intelligent and empathic.

To get to the point though I think he totally deserves the reaction he's had - idiotic, insensitive dick IMO.

To me salad cream or ra-ra skirts could be suitable for a bad taste party, dressing as abused/murdered/kidnapped children fits better into a sickeningly offenisve party.

2shoes · 10/01/2009 22:55

the bloke in question is in his early twenties, hardly a "young person"

seeker · 10/01/2009 23:23

But you're a Young Conservative til you're 30, aren't you?Except it's called something else now - Conservative Future or something like that.

ElfOnTheTopShelf · 10/01/2009 23:27

I still think there are people out there who make stupid errors in their late teens / early twenties. I know I made the odd stupid mistake at that age. I didn't attend any bad taste parties dressed in a stupid costume, but then again I dont have friends who would throw that type of party!

I dont think that the McCanns should not be hurt, of course they would find this upsetting, I would imagine that they are having an awful time and found this inconsiderate and upsetting. Nobody is disputing whether they should be upset or not.

But, I dont know if the party were right to kick him out. I think sometimes there is no distinction between a "work life" and "private life" when things that happen in personal life can mean you are sacked / diciplined etc.

I think if it hadn't been for facebook then it wouldn't have gotten this far.

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