Russell Brand, Jonathan Woss and Andrew Sachs

[JoolsToo]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3263328/Russell-Brand-and-Jonathan-Ross-joke-radio -phone-calls-just-werent-funny.html

Have we not had a discussion about this? I'm surprised.

Seedy, sordid, unfunny little men pad obscene amounts of money to be obscene.

What's your view?

I agree with you dweezle.I hope they get sacked

I get the feeling they are just the wrong combination of people - like when you get two girls who play nicely together, and two girls who just hype each other up - they are the girls who hype each other up and wouldn't be allowed to sit together in class.

Poor Sachs though The thought of someone calling my granddad with that is horrible

On commercial radio it would still have been nasty and offensive - but at least I would not be sponsoring it. As it is I am really
Why does the BBC pay these arses (and Chris Moyles too) so much when they cut back on other areas? Couldn't they just show reruns of Beavis and Butthead instead? At least that way they would not be so demeaning and nasty to real people.

Ross earns six million a year. He is too old for these juvenile antics now, merely a dirty minded middle aged man. They could easily replace him with a talented twenty-something for £20-something k, and hire a couple of hundred researchers, producers etc. I am guessing Brand earns somewhere in the same region, imagine how much decent programming the BBC could make if they got rid of him too

Sachs granddaughter
Ross and Brand are still waste of space twits though.

this didn't happen spontaneously on stage in Glastonbury, but on a BBC radio show, with a broad audience, taxpayer funded, pre-recorded

Ross/Brand should have realised later, or woken up the next morning and thought "uh oh" and had it pulled, or at the very least the producers should have edited it out

but oh no, they think it is funny, fine and perfectly acceptable to broadcast.

that's what worries me.
despicable and outrageous.

It's another example of the BBC deciding what's good for it's listeners and viewers and not taking into account what they actually want. The BBC is more of an old boys network today (with different old boys) than ever. IMO

I don't give a sh*t what the granddaughter does tbh. An old man was personally distressed by some thoughtless wankers.

To me it shows how little respect the BBC has for its audience.

(As in the people saying about what she does/wears etc... not how she feels after it)

Fair enough, and I agree that he would be distressed, their comments were disgusting and totally uncalled for. But the granddaughter obviously knows Brand and moves in the same social circles as him.

What difference does it make though? It is like when news papers talk about murdered prostitutes instead of murdered women as if it makes a difference to the life lost

I keep coming back to this thread partly because I am so at the implicit suggestions that the granddaughter was somehow asking for it, that her lifestyle is somehow relevant to her and her grandfather's humiliation on a public broadcast.

Does you apply that reasoning to other kinds of abusive behaviour? Is physical aggression okay, if the woman victimised is a nag? Or is sexual harassment okay if she wears a tight fitting top? Where do you draw the line?

I kind of thought that argument might come into it. Maybe prostitutes are more likely to be murdered than ordinary women, because they live/work in a very high risk situation. Doesn't make it any less shocking, but the stats sadly go against them.
Perhaps because she is a public figure (and a particular type of performer, also aiming to shock) that she has come to Brands attention, she's not a sunday school teacher. She's in the public eye, so it he. Aren't they all targets?

The real issue is what the BBC will do to boost ratings. (ducks)

Didn't mean to imply that prostitutes aren't ordinary women there iykwim.

I agree with upwind. this kind of "joke" implies strongly

• women having consensual sex is something to be ashamed of - for the woman not the man

• for a man to have sex with a woman is somehow "getting one over on her" somehow showing her disrespect and doing her down

... the kinds of attitudes that have made life difficult for me in enjoying my sexuality - probably for all of us...

of course it is right to apologise to Andrew Sachs, but what about Georgina Bailey? her privacy has been invaded and she has been mocked in public.

I'd actually love it if she said "Yes, I had sex with Russell Brand, and it was rubbish, plus he's an ignorant oaf... "

Time4tea, I agree but only for these type of seedy little men. Most men don't think like they do. These attitutes shouldn't be condoned by the BBC on a mainstream radio station. Makes me glad I don't listen or watch the BBC.

X post there. I hope she does, but that kind of thing just pumps bullies up even more. I expect (and don't forget she's only 23) she's feeling awful about her grandfather now.

Andrew Sachs has been interviewed and said that the apology should be directed to Georgina and that he is not half as angry as she is.

When I was 23 I did (and wore!) lots of things I would not do now. Horrible that she has been thrown into the spotlight like this, when so very young.

Ooh, I know her. My ex told me she was after him but he wasn't interested after she admitted she had slept with Brand.

That said I think Ross and Brand are absolute arses and their lack of respect for an elderly gentleman is disgraceful. I agree Georgina deserves an apology too but from what I know of her I suspect she is just glad of the attention.

Someone on another forum (so I don't know how true it is!) stated that the Satanic Sluts are now using "As heard on The Russell Brand show" on their various web pages and media sources. So it seems there is no such thing as bad publicity these days.

I LOVE Russell Brand. Of all of the comedians he is actually one of the less offensive - usually his jokes are aimed at himself. I think that this is a howard stern style of radio - and got out of hand. By next week the whole thing would have blown over - the BBC hopefully will study its content better.

One of the links says that he has spoken about them as a performance group before

dont get the whole RB phenomen dont think he is funny at all.JR has his moments (this wasnt one)

think RB is a bitty too obsessed by his own willy and his alleged powers

i think he looks like he needs a bath and comb his hair,it is alive.an ecosystem on his head

ScottishMummy, I think you'll find he calls it his winky. So appealing in a grown man.