Russell Brand, Jonathan Woss and Andrew Sachs

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3263328/Russell-Brand-and-Jonathan-Ross-joke-radio -phone-calls-just-werent-funny.html

Have we not had a discussion about this? I'm surprised.

Seedy, sordid, unfunny little men pad obscene amounts of money to be obscene.

What's your view?

LostProphet - Yes you are quite right. The whole incident actually started the week before when David Baddiel was co-hosting the show with Russell. Baddiel told an anecdote about how he had gone round to Russell's house one day to work on a writing project together and when he arrived members of The Satanic Sluts were there.

He then went on to say how various members of the group kept interupting them to ask when they would be finished writing as they wanted Russell to come and join them.

The way that David Baddiel told it was that he was amazed by Russell's lifestyle etc.. and couldn't believe his house was full of these girls. Then Baddiel went on to mention that one of the troupe was Andrew Sach's grandaughter. That was all that was said I think. I don't remember it being said out loud that Russell had slept with her . . . more like that he had enjoyed himself with all of them.

eugh didnt know he had given his appendage a name.whatever next a bus pass.room to roam

nope RB just isnt that funny,the occasional quip yes,laugh out loud mirth no

smacks of trying too hard boys

he is funny though

i haven't read all of this but im really disappointed. I was only watching RB the other night, and i think JR is great too, but yes, this was completely out of order - what a pair of wankers. A horrible thing to do . The irony being is that after watching RB stand up the other night i turned to my DP and said, "at least he isn't deliberately offensive like that awful Jimmy Carr characater"

I really dislike jimmy Carr.

OH come on!

How many of you heard it as it was being broadcast? Come on - be honest?

And how many of you are offended because you were directed to it by someonelse after the fact?

Yes Sacks deserves an apology and possibly has a right to be offended but all these people going on about being offended themselves need to get a life - seriously!

I don't see what Andrew Sach's grand-daughter does or what she looks like has to do with a malicious phone call to her grandfather

OH - and Sacks being an 'elderly gentleman' has nothing to do with the offence cause. Surely if he was 30 or if he was 99 the offence would be the same. Jesus. Some people really do get led by the nose by the tabloids don't they.

"By time4tea on Tue 28-Oct-08 09:03:16

I agree with upwind. this kind of "joke" implies strongly

• women having consensual sex is something to be ashamed of - for the woman not the man

• for a man to have sex with a woman is somehow "getting one over on her" somehow showing her disrespect and doing her down"

Agree with time4tea. That's what bothers me about this. Sexual attitudes that belong somewhere in another century. And it doesn't actually matter whether the granddaughter is upset or loving the publicity. It's the sexism and misogyny embedded in the "joke" that's the offensive bit.

beanie it's not relevant whether people heard it when broadcast or got offended when they read about it afterwards

I was not around during the Third Reich but I find the holocaust pretty offensive

So when you were 23, if someone you had unwisely shagged once got your father's/grandfather's/mother's/grandmother's phone number and got together with a dodgy mate old enough to be your father and shouted messages on their answerphone shouting 'he fucked your granddaughter/daughter!' and 'He had her over the couch' etc etc, you'd think that was normal, Ok, amusing behaviour and nobody would be upset? Come off it.
Oh, and if they then put that phone call on You Tube or whatever, that would also have been hilarious?

So when you were 23, if someone you had unwisely shagged once got your father's/grandfather's/mother's/grandmother's phone number and got together with a dodgy mate old enough to be your father and shouted messages on their answerphone shouting 'he fucked your granddaughter/daughter!' and 'He had her over the couch' etc etc, you'd think that was normal, Ok, amusing behaviour and nobody would be upset? Come off it.
Oh, and if they then put that phone call on You Tube or whatever, that would also have been hilarious?

No beanie, it's not the same. If someone was rude to my 27yr old brother I would be far less annoyed than if they were rude to my 82 year old grandmother.
I never said I was offended, I just think taking the piss out of an old man is not on.

I find their behaviour disgusting and pathetic.

Have just sent feedback to the pair direct.

Links if you want to do the same are:

www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/ross/contact.shtml

www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/br and/

If they think there is no such thing as bad publicity, hope it backfires.

I don't think anyone on here really suggested that the girl brought it on herself, was asking for it to be broadcast etc... I think what was inferred was that due to the fact that she is in a dance troupe called The Satanic Sluts etc.. that she herself must have a pretty thick skin and can clearly take anything that comes her way. To compare her to a rape victim as some of you have done is actually offensive to rape victims.

I genuinely feel for her Grandfather, I feel it is absolutely right that he gets a full apology from all the people concerned. I also agree that maybe those involved should be fined. I do NOT agree that anyone should be sacked however. I personally am more offended that my bbc money gets spent on crap like hole in the wall and some of the other durge thats on tv rather than by anything either RB or JR have done.

I would also like to draw Mumsnetters attention to a discussion that took place on the Telly addicts page the other week, where on a quite a few occasions, and by many forumers, lap dancers and strippers were called Prostitutes etc.. and were basically vilified and yet nobody batted a bloody eyelid.

Overpaid, egotistical talentless tossers the pair of them.

It is juvenile in the extreme, exploitative and pathetic. Really don't see what there is to find amusing or entertaining but perhaps I just don't "get" RB's sense of "humour" or whatever it may be called , nor why he is so highly regarded. Serious misjudgement on the part of all concerned.

It is perfectly reasonable to have an opinion on something based on reporting after the event. If this were not the case, we would not be able to have opinions on any news events except those we had seen reported live on News24 or similar.

Did you know - in the immediate aftermath of the broadcast there were only 2 complaints!

then on the 26th 10 (I think a full week after the broadcast) they suddenly had 70 complaints! How strange. So people actually listening to the programme weren't really that offended - were they!

Sorry beanie but you are being obtuse

More people know about it now, obviously. It's been widely reported. If all those people had been listening at the time they would have found it pathetic then too.

Haven't read many posts, but have just heard the 11 o'clock news. There is now to be a serious BBC investigation, and there is a motion tabled in parliament, to discuss whether the tax payer should be funding them, at all!! Heads will have to roll. (I predict Russell Brand will have to be sacked now. JR may get away with a serious warning since it was not on his show, and he seems to be something of a darling of the BBC - can't see the appeal myself.)

was it on the iplayer/podcast though ? Maybe they have a niche of "fans" who wouldn't complain but they are funded by taxpayers and this is an issue of basic common decency and respect.

"I was not around during the Third Reich but I find the holocaust pretty offensive"

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GODWIN'S LAW ANYONE! [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law HA HA HA]

Not that I'm defending Brand but if he's the fall guy and Ross gets away with it - that's tje wrong decision. Ross bloody started it.

I want to know how on earth it was cleared for broadcast - whoever made that decision should go too.

WOOPS Sorry

clicky

Lizs - Yes it was on the show (which was pre-recorded) and also on the podcast too.

I don't see why Russell Brand should get in more trouble than Jonathan Ross as it was actually JR that shouted the "He effed your Grandaughter!!!" line. Russell seemed just as surprised as everyone else.