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Russell Brand, Jonathan Woss and Andrew Sachs

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JoolsToo · 27/10/2008 15:26

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3263328/Russell-Brand-and-Jonathan-Ross-joke-radio -phone-calls-just-werent-funny.html

Have we not had a discussion about this? I'm surprised.

Seedy, sordid, unfunny little men pad obscene amounts of money to be obscene.

What's your view?

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Thomcat · 29/10/2008 15:27

Jo Brand and Mark Lamarr

fruitstick · 29/10/2008 15:27

Oh for goodness sake Littlebella, there is no need to insult my intelligence just because you don't agree - trying constructive debate, it's far more effective.

I agree that it's different for men and women in this regard, but am arguing that it shouldn't be.... and this kind of petty furore merely exacerbates and reinforces such ridiculous inequalities.

I'm not saying this women should keep her knickers on, merely that she should if she doesn't want the consequences of sleeping with a celebrity.

However, given that she is in a band called the satanic sluts I would say she is more than capable of standing up for her own sexual equality. A far better response would be, instead of crying offence and outrage, to say 'yes, I did sleep with brand, and he wasn't that much to write home about - maybe bullying OAPS is his way of making up for his inadequacies.'

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rebelmum1 · 29/10/2008 15:28

cuts both ways if you ask me, men and women get judged equally

rebelmum1 · 29/10/2008 15:31

Mark lamarr is a deliberate ploy by the BBC to make you think that JR as actually any good

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JoolsToo · 29/10/2008 15:33

no fruitstick HER response was better.

she thought it was a private matter between two people (not all celebrities boast of their conquests) and bringing her family member into it was not justified.

did she go and broadcast she slept with Brand?

no she didn't

the name of her band is irrelevant.

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bongosmum · 29/10/2008 15:35

Do you really think a'young' producer is going to stand up to those two titan's? doubt it...that's what happens with people like jr and rb. the people around them blow smoke up their kissers until they really think that we can't live without them - ricky gervais is a prime example...totally lost touch with reality.

bongosmum · 29/10/2008 15:35

Do you really think a'young' producer is going to stand up to those two titan's? doubt it...that's what happens with people like jr and rb. the people around them blow smoke up their kissers until they really think that we can't live without them - ricky gervais is a prime example...totally lost touch with reality.

LittleBellaLugosi · 29/10/2008 15:36

Um, I don't suppose she understood that the consequence of sleeping with a sleb was that her granddad would get obscene phone calls about it.

It's not the usual consequence.

And I don't really think it's up to any of us to tell her how to react to what has happened to her. Maybe she doesn't want to talk in public about how her lovers perform in private.

LittleBellaLugosi · 29/10/2008 15:37

If you think men and women get judged equally on sexual behaviour rebelmum, then you are living in a parallel universe to me.

fruitstick · 29/10/2008 15:38

I agree it is a better response, but people who have heard about it third hand defending her honour by complaining to the BBC probably isn't.

And the name of her band is relevant, merely as an indication that she is clearly a confident, sexually liberated woman - I didn't mean it in any negative way.

LittleBellaLugosi · 29/10/2008 15:38

When Rebecca Loos slept with David Beckham, he didn't call her granddad did he?

The mind is boggling. Do you think we'll see a spurt of granddad calling by shagging slebs?

fruitstick · 29/10/2008 15:40

and as I've said in my previous posts, the issue is the offence caused to Andrew Sachs, not her.

fruitstick · 29/10/2008 15:41

but I bet Loos' grandad was so proud when she sold her story

LittleBellaLugosi · 29/10/2008 15:41

No that is your interpretation of the issue.

For me, the issue is the mysgonist garbage the BBC expect us to accept as humour. I can't be bothered to rehash all the stuff onebatmother has said, she said it all so well.

rebelmum1 · 29/10/2008 15:42

I can't see that having a number of sexual partners is any different either way, none of my friends and my dp's friends think it is admirable, if anything most people are non-plussed and think in either case its a bit desperate.

rebelmum1 · 29/10/2008 15:43

i don't know where it is that men are slapped on the back and women are drowned..

beaniescreamyb · 29/10/2008 15:46

"Do you really think a'young' producer is going to stand up to those two titan's? "

well, yes actually. I thik their bosses should be providing the training and the envoronment where they feel able to stand up to them. Also if Sachs did complain I would have thought that any producer worth his salt would have taken those complaints on board, looked at the guidelines, and then made the right decision. Clearly they didn't. Should have though. being frightened of the talent isn't good enough IMO.

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JoolsToo · 29/10/2008 15:47

look my view is, its irrelevant who the grand-daughter is or what she does, she could be a prostitute, the biggest tart on the planet, its makes no odds.

The issue is that a family member, not her, received obscene messages about her, then following that received another message wondering whether he'd like to hang himself as a result of the previous message. (cue belly laughs )

The debate should be about the content of the message, who sent it and why they thought it was a good idea to send it.

If the girl earns a fortune from newspaper stories - good on her, none of this is her doing

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LittleBellaLugosi · 29/10/2008 15:47

OK imagine it the other way round then. Imagine if Rebecca Loos had called David Beckham's granddad. Would she have whooped down the phone "I shagged your grandson! It was on the sofa!" etc. Would the BBC have been inclined to broadcast it as humour? Or would they have just thought she was a bit odd?

OK maybe Rebecca Loos isn't the best one to choose....

bongosmum · 29/10/2008 15:54

well, if it meant that you would be in danger of losing your job would you? i know i wouldn't...passing the buck to the producer isn't good enough. reading the messages it seems that most people are of the same opinion, this was unnecessary and distasteful. regardless of who she is and what she does it was an power trip - they did it because they could and who was going to stop them...
didn't you ever cringe when 'jokes' were made by jr and the likes about heather mills? regardless of what you think of her, is it ok to mock somebody who has lost a limb? it's messed up... 7/11 survivors were brave, but she was mocked. give me the two ronnies!!

fruitstick · 29/10/2008 15:59

I've burnt my chilli now - it's a disaster!

morningpaper · 29/10/2008 16:11

OMG have just seen those pictures of her

sorry but the real misogyny here is the shit that idiotic young woman is buying into

jeez

bongosmum · 29/10/2008 16:13

just scrape the surface and make sure you have extra vino poppo to mask the charcol taste...

morningpaper · 29/10/2008 16:13

I don't think anything that Ross or Brand said even compares to the crap about women that she thinks its acceptable to spout

but you know I'm an old school feminist

(not literally obviously)

beaniescreamyb · 29/10/2008 16:15

Still looking forward to reading her view in the News of the World this weekend

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