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Garry Glitter - I don't get it?

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expatinscotland · 21/08/2008 09:43

here

Can't Thai authorities cuff this scumbag and force him on a plane back to the UK?

I thought when you were deported from somewhere that means authorties put you back on a plane for your home country and you didn't have a choice about going there?

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oi · 23/08/2008 22:46

not only that Xenia, but still a tendency to keep 'family paedophilia' hidden. And I do think the hysteria contributes that.

How many times do we hear on here or even know about ourselves of step fathers or grandfathers or uncles interfering or raping grandchildren/children and the mothers/fathers tacitly let it happen by never reporting it or stopping it? It's extraordinary.

GivePeasAChance · 23/08/2008 22:48

I actually think the opposite MorningP. I think the press reporting is quite helpful (and I generally f'ing hate the reporting in this country).

The reporting shows a few valid things - that paedophiles can be anyone (even a popstar) and not just some saddo loser with no friends, that they often show little remorse, and also that reoffending is pretty likely under the current system.

KerryMum · 23/08/2008 22:48

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NotAnOtter · 23/08/2008 22:51

puke

msdemeanor · 23/08/2008 22:51

Oh Oi, children nowadays have FAR, FAR higher chance of being a/believed and b/protected than ever before.
The more we talk about paedophilia and child rape, and the more it is viewed as totally unacceptable, the better it is for children and the more they will be protected. It also helps to see that a paedophile rapist can be - as Peas says - a highly successful married man.

morningpaper · 23/08/2008 22:51

Hmm well let's see:

UK newspaper articles in the last month:

About Gary Glitter : 5,360
About Ethiopia : 921

It's a bit WEIRD to me

Of course Ethiopia is just one awful humanitarian disaster, and is obviously very boring judging by the press coverage, but I'm sure you get the idea

msdemeanor · 23/08/2008 22:53

Gary Glitter is BRITISH. He is a very, very famous person in BRITAIN. Nearly all of us remember him or at least know who he is. He is also a serial child rapist who has just been released from prison, is supposed to come back to Britain but has put up an extraordinary performance trying to avoid it. Of course it is a fecking news story in the BRITISH press.

oi · 23/08/2008 22:54

if they ever report it. Family paedophilia is v often hidden for years and years and years.

msdemeanour, like the general public or children don't know it isn't acceptable already?! It was never acceptable.

oi · 23/08/2008 22:54

he has not been convicted of rape. It even says so there in Kerrymum's article. People have alleged it but it was never proven!

NotAnOtter · 23/08/2008 22:55

plus sorry to sound glib but kids in uk affected much more by sexual abuse than starvation

GivePeasAChance · 23/08/2008 22:56

Those stats are slightly out of sync for me because I think the coverage given to specific paedophiles in general is pretty low. I couldn't name another sex offender? Murderer perhaps. This is a 'famous' paedophile that allows it to be discussed because everyone knows him, and therefore allows us to 'identify' with a paedophile. And I mean identify in the worst possible way.

msdemeanor · 23/08/2008 22:56

Saying, 'oh, I can't imagine why this get more publicity than an Ethiopian famine' is so ridiculous. Do you honestly think the Australian press is reporting British Olympic achievement first and Michael Phelps second? Of course not. A British serial killer will always get more publicity and attract more British interest than, say, a Bolivian one.
I would say the fact that we are bothered by a British person's crimes against foreign children is entirely to our credit. Matthew Norman seems to think it is pretty much OK to rape children from the 'Far East'. I would say most of us wouldn't agree.

Heated · 23/08/2008 22:56

I think Jackie Smith's bandwagon-jumping very much helped the story become front page news, linking him with a govt initiative on stopping sex tourists from travelling. I have no admiration for the press in this, but wonder if ppl aren't too concerned because they think this is really his punishment, rather than the jail sentence he paid to have reduced?

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msdemeanor · 23/08/2008 22:57

Oi, have you read my posts? Do you think that a little child can give her consent to having sex with a 60 year old? Really? If not, then it is rape. Sex with people unable to give consent is rape. That's a fact.

oi · 23/08/2008 22:58

and from what I remember, though can't find the stats, they are far more at risk from people they know.

They are still WAY more likely to be hurt in a traffic incident though and I don't see threads with thousands of posts on them debating road safety and what more we could do.

oi · 23/08/2008 22:58

msdemanour, HOW DO YOU KNOW HE HAD SEX WITH THEM?

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msdemeanor · 23/08/2008 23:01

The 64-year-old Glitter, whose real name is Paul Francis Gadd, was convicted in Vietnam in 2006 of committing "obscene acts with children" - offenses involving girls aged 10 and 11. He had a previous conviction in Britain for possessing child pornography.

Glitter's fall from grace began in 1997, when he took his computer to a repair shop and an employee there discovered he had downloaded thousands of pornographic images of children. Two years later, British authorities convicted him of possession of child pornography, and Glitter served half of a four-month jail term.

In 2002, he was traced to Cambodia, a gathering point for pedophiles, who take advantage of weak and corrupt law enforcement systems and endemic poverty.

He lived there for about six months before flummoxed Cambodian officials learned from the British press who he was. Some Cambodians, unhappy with their country's reputation as a haven for sex abusers, pressured to have him kicked out, which he eventually was that year on the vague grounds that he "had violated Cambodian laws."

In November 2005, Vietnamese police launched a criminal investigation against him for alleged lewd acts with a minor.

Neighbors in the sleepy resort town of Vung Tau said they often saw him bring girls to his home - a terra-cotta-tiled villa with a swimming pool and view of the ocean. At least five girls gave statements to police about their sexual involvement with Glitter, who denied the allegations.

In March 2006, Glitter was found guilty of committing obscene acts.

And all this from a man who loved seeing pictures and film of little children being tortured and raped. What do you think he was doing with those kids, Oi?

ChukkyPig · 23/08/2008 23:01

morningpaper that's not fair.

I'm sure that MNers give to charities for all things. We all care about lots of things. And we aren't all swayed by what the popular press report. If you read the Star, for instance, you would be utterly unaware of anything going on anywhere, but know that women have breasts.

What the people of the press report isn't necessarily what people want to read. And to pander to the lowest common denominator is a poor trick for sales.

And actually I don't think it's weird that people want to read more about someone who is from their country, could be their neighbour etc. That's how human beings work.

mrsruffallo · 23/08/2008 23:01

I can see where MP is coming from.
Why do we need to know his every move in the airports/on the plane
Why all this coverage of him?

GivePeasAChance · 23/08/2008 23:03

Because it shows the pure audacity and lack of remorse shown by him. THAT is reflective of many people's experiences of paedophiles.

nancy75 · 23/08/2008 23:04

not certain about this, but i thought the bbc interviewed him shortly before/after he was convicted and his argument was that he didnt know they were underage, not that he didnt have sex with them?