Texas abused baby

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I can't believe people can do that to their own children.

Phew....I'm not a thick as I thought, that what I thought it was

are there any societies where this kind of crime which grates against the entire community go punished in ways that send messages to the whole community? I mean Saudi or places like that. And if so, does it deter and also does it make the community more cohesive by reaffirming it's humanity by reaffirming what is not just not acceptable on any terms?

I would really be interested to know, without opening a debate on capital punishment, if other cultures deal with these atrocities and affronts to the community as a whole in different and more successful ways.

Over here there are some Aboriginal communites where Aboriginal law is paramount and crimes that threaten the community's survival as a whole (as I believe this crime does) are dealt with in traditional ways - off the top of my head I remember a case in the Northern Territories years ago where two men went on a car journey without enough water for themselves or the children they had along and the kids died of de-hydration. They were judged and charged by their tribal elders and punished in full view of the community by having spears thrown in to their legs because not carrying enough water for your dependents is the most stupid and negligent thing you can do in that kind of terrain.

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I am as appalled as anyone by what these people have done, but is there really no one who doesn't think the death penalty is wrong? I am not trying to start an argument about this; I am just geneuinely surprised.

"genuinely", oops

Turn them over to the nurses who are treating that poor baby, preferably the ones who have children.

And give the nurses a bullwhip each. I think it would be theraputic for the nurses after seeing a baby in such misery, to be able to inflict some misery on the people who caused it.

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There are an awful lot of things we do to dogs which we do not do to people (query whether we should do those things to dogs) - I am not sure it's worth having a debate about capital punishment on this thread. I remain surprised that everyone seems to be in favour of it. Maybe some people are simply venting their understandable outrage but wouldn't actually themselves do the things they are suggesting?

If I had no family and no responsibilites then I would take a bullwhip to them for sure. I think there may be a few people ahead of me in the queue though.

Setting them in stocks in a prominent public place would also be a good option then everyone could give them a good kicking

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I wasn't really trying to debate the issues, just asking whether everyone who was saying what they would like to do to these people actually meant it

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Yes I do mean it. Those parents are old enoygh to know that anally raping a baby is wrong!

Is this becoming a pro death penalty debate? . I found what they have done terrible, but disagree about them having a good time in prison once they get used to it.

It is not uncommon for paedophiles to be received by the other interns with a rape, they live in fear. Considering what they have done, and specially in Texas, I think they won't find a rest while in prison. IMO that's a worse punishment.

BTW Secur, did you realised that a man in York also raped a 6m baby he was taking care of? he even video his action and displayed it on internet. I wonder what has been of him, hope he is getting what he deserves but, someway I think there won't be long before he starts walking around our streets again.

I'd like to see done to them exactly what they did to that poor child. Doesn't make it right but at least they'd be made to suffer the same agony

I don't know where i really stand on capital punishment as for the people it would be meant for in my opinion, (child abusers-paediphiles), it's too easy a way out.

FFS. I feel really angry now. How do the minds of some people work?

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GhostofNatt - no offence but where on earth are you getting that from? I see very little on this thread (particularly the latter half of it) that is absolutely pro-death-penalty. As you say, not trying to start an argument, but I genuinely cannot see where that has come from. And, FWIW, I think this is exactly the sort of place to have a debate about this subject. Why do you think it isn't?

What the parents appear to have done is terrible beyond belief. We all feel desperately sorry for the poor baby. But I don't think the criminal justice system should be about vengeance. It's about justice ? a reasoned process of examining the facts, awful as they may be. Sentencing should be about punishment and protecting the victim and community, not about lynch mobs ? however cathartic they may be for us.
One possibility is that the mother was being abused herself and was unable to prevent the abuse of her children. It's very easy for us to demonise her because she didn't protect her kids (or, even worse, joined in) but we don't know whether she was living in fear. Ok, some women do manage to escape violent men because their children are at risk. But not everyone has the chance.

Secur, I was not criticising you, I was just expressing my opinion. The only reason I asked if you have realised about the York case is because you live in York and it was in the newspaper. Actually it even was in the free one that's get's through our doors every wednesday! Don't have a clue how it never made the national news! Hope he's having a bad time in prison anyways.

edam - of course she had the chance to escape. If someone was abusing ds like that I would do ANYTHING to get him, and myself, out of the situation.

But edam, what would be considered justice in a case as awful as this? I agree it shouldn't be about vengeance, but what punishment would be 'enough'?

that case did make the national news, in fact the Sun made it a campaign to increase his sentence from a matter of months to years.

yes that's the point I was trying to raise, what would be justice for a crime like this which offends our very humanity and do other cultures deal with it differently?

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