Work for dole

[ReallyTired]

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I think that proposals like these are long over due. Although I think that if you make people work full time for their benefits they won't have time to look for job.

Prehaps they should work three days a week and look for a job two days a week.

There are people who for good reasons cannot work full time, but certainly could do something part time.

Right.

Firstly I said that learning basic skills via training would be appropriate because in an earlier post it was stated that some people lack the basic literacy and numeracy skills to find work. I added that learning these skills would be beneficial to both the individual and the employee. I never made the generalisation that all people on benefits can't read or write. That is an accusation you jumped to all by yourself.

Secondly I have made it clear that I am talking about the people that are on benefits long term. Please refer to my earlier post when I talk about people who have made a life choice to sit on the dole.

Thirdly I have already stated it is ridiculuos that you can earn more sat on the
dole than working and the whole system needs changing.

I really wish people would read the whole thread before posting accusations and assumptions.

If you had read my earlier posts you would see that even the employed people make thousands of typos's

Riven you are a carer and your dd has SN.

We are talking about fully able people that choose not to work and to spend their life sat on the dole.

Neither you or your dd fall into that caterogry.

this paper is actually aimed at people on incapacity benefit, which is what people like riven are on (she has MS, IIRC).

let's just force them all out to work. they're 'scourngers'.

yeah, cod, so what if there are people in court for being scroungers.

that's always been the case and always will be.

do people honestly not have anything better to do than beat their heads against a wall about a relatively small number of pepole for whom going out to work may mean they can't pay basic bills.

and do you have ANY idea how hard it is to get council tax benefit if you work at all?

I disagree about it being a relatively few number of people.

as far as total benefits claimants are, foxy, it's not a large number. believe it or not, you can't just say 'i want to be on incapacity benefit' and get it.

And yes I have plenty to do, work to pay a mortgage and bills, raise my dd and in between try to find enough time to maintain a relationship with dp.

Its the people that are sat on their bums doing nothing all day that have all the time on their hands.

And to all the people that say 'I am not doing nothing all day I'm raising my dc, I manage to raise my dd and still hold down a job.

I don't think its that hard to con the system expat

819,300 people claiming benifit
29 million people in employment
60 million total population last census

its hard enough to get IB when you are actually entitled to it,let alone trying to con the bloody system!

Oh, okay, foxy. But you don't seem to have much experience of living on benefits, so how would you know how easy it is to get IC (I've never been on it myself, but I know people who are).

How do you know what expereince I have expat? Why do you jump to conclusions? I must admit its easier to make assumptions and spread false facts about people then make a valid point.

You are wrong though, there are members of my family who are lone parents and claim benefits.

And your SO right divastrop, nobody ever fasely claims IB .. never.

'Why do you jump to conclusions? '

Probably for the same reason you buy in this idea that because your life is so miserable and hard, everyone else's should be equally as rough, no matter what.

'I must admit its easier to make assumptions and spread false facts about people then make a valid point.'

That explains your posts, then, because nearly ALL of them have been about your neighbours and what cheats they are and because they're scroungers, everyone else on benefits must be, too.

There you go again with false assumptions, my life isn't miserable and hard. Its normal, just like most people, I work and enjoy my family life.

Is it because you have no valid points you are getting nasty?

i've made some very valid points on this thread.

others have mentioned it.

by contrast, your posts have come across as bitter, jealous and nasty.

and i'm not hte only one who has noticed or commented on this.

this had started to evolve into a constructive debate, whilst you continue to whitter on over and over about cheats.

and if you construe that as nasty, well, i can't help that.

There are 68 thousand people on job seekers that have been claiming for more than 2 years of thoses 68 thousand - 16 thousand have been claiming for 5 years. There are 2.64 million people on incapacity benifit - I cant find the break down figures for those with mental illness.

68 thousand from a population of 60 million is a very small proportion of the the population that are long term unemployed. The way it is spoken about I thought it was going to be in the millions

IIRC, it's JSA claimaints that have recently increased as well, ivy.

Was in BBC last week.

Let me go dig it up.

And I will try to explain so its easy to understand:

I am using my neighbours as an example because they represent the section of society to which I am referring.

I also spoke of my sister As she illustrated the point I was making at the time.

Do you see the common trend?

I'm leaving now as you are resorting to personal attacks.

did i say that nobody ever falsely claims Ib?no,i just said it isnt easy to get it,as you seem to think it is.

i think you are making the mistake of thinking all benefit claimants are like your neighbours.

JSA

Doesn't say, however, how many are income-based JSA and how many are contribution-based.

I'd assume if it's a new claimaint who has just been made redundant it would be contribution-based.

Every man and his dog has a neighbour that claims benifits and lives the high life or is cheating the system [sighs] and seems to be bitter and twisted over the fact someone may be getting something for nothing.

There will always be some people that dont want to work but they are very few. Why punish the genuine for the very very small percentage that are like this.

IIRC, there have been recent papers about revamping IB as well, diva.

okay, in theory, but of course, leave it to the government to be short-sighted and not consider the types of jobs many who would be leaving IB would need to take and the childcare issues surrounding such work, or those in shift work professions - even many skilled professions require shift work, such as nursing, driving, etc.