David Cameron: It is your fault if you are fat and poor.

[FairyMum]

Has anyone commented on the David Cameron-speech on moral neutrality? He is a price-dick, isn't he?

'Preconceived notions, I expect. '

Considering I had absolutely none about the place, SQ, your continuing to be so condescending and presumptous for no apparent reason is really not endearing to the place.

But carry on.

Here's some rope . . .

Did he say being fat is your own fault. Being poor is your own fault. Or did he say being fat and poor is your own fault?

If it's the latter then he is hardly going to piss off any of his own voters. Not very brave of him to say this then.

He scares me though.

Not your preconceived notions, Expat, but those of whom you listen. Certainly opinions are not based on truth.

An overall impression of this thread is that I astounded at the foothold the Nanny State has in our society (if Mumsnet is in anyway representative).

So now you are assuming I'm so sheepish I take everything the press publishes as truth and if I form my own opinion from what I have read and heard it is somehow coming from a standpoint of being misinformed.

Interesting.

I can only judge based on the evidence presented.

TBH, it's a bit silly to take a stand on Eton when you know diddly squat about it.

Well, SP, I'm getting an impression of it from you.

i am fat.
it is my fault.
i eat too much.
i'm not force fed.

I'm not fat.

I never have been.

But then, I've never been much of an eater and can't eat much at once.

I am, however, working poor.

I accept responsibility for this, as it is largely the result of a string of very poor decisions I made in my adult life.

I would like to think, however, that I would not be persecuted for this any further than I already am, for I do work and always have.

I feel persecuted for it under the GB regime.

I feel I and others like me carry a very unequal proportion of the tax burden, that tax credits are a crock of shit and I don't want benefits or to be beholden to the state, I just want to keep more of the little we earn.

SqueakyPop , what experiences do YOU have of Eton ?

This is a criticism of posh people. Its a criticism of posh people judging poor people and telling them to pull themselves together.

People who have grown up in lovely safe areas, attended private school, perhaps gone on to oxbridge and then off to work with people from similar backgrounds.......at least have the decency to understand that you cannot always understand less fortune peoples lives.

sorry, this is not a crtiticism of posh people I meant to say.

It's just so Marie Antoinetteish, isn't it? Just like our own dear Sheherazade Goldsmith with her bafflement as to why we don't all keep out own geese and cows. Just no fricking clue at all.
Actually, the more certain people sing his praises on here, the less I like him.

just wondering if the inverse snobberry on this thread refers to all private schools or just eton?
or is their a benchmark. i.e. under two grand a term = ok, over = out of touch snobs?

but anyone here who is poor would, using DC's logic, have only themselves to blame. You chose to have one or more children, after all and everyone knows how expensive they are. Shouldn't have had them if you couldn't provide for them. In fact perhaps we'd better stop anyone breeding who can't show they already have sufficient money stashed away to bring them up properly.

Wonder how long before the "it was taken out of context" stuff starts.

Nobody cares where anyone went to school if they stop attacking people who are poorer than they are. That's the point. It's just like Sherezade bleeding Goldsmith. If she didn't tell us how to live our lives from her delicious little ivory tower, she wouldn't get up our noses so much.

Who? I can confidently say that she has never got up my nose. How has she got up yours Msdemeanour?

BTW I am nominating price-dick as a word that definitely should exist. I suppose it should be a slang term for a male prostitute. Which is very like a politician in so many ways. So it does fit.

Quattrocento, did you not see the MN thread on marie antoinette Sheherezade Goldsmith? I can promise you mine isn't the only nose she got right up.

Okay, who the hell is this Goldsmith person?

If anything, this thread has been a learning experience. Being foreign-born and never having lived in England, I am clueless with regards to some of this business.

"Nobody cares where anyone went to school if they stop attacking people who are poorer than they are. "

Exactly

"but anyone here who is poor would, using DC's logic, have only themselves to blame"

in fairness the taken out of context should have been brought out from the start as the thread title is completely inflammatory and designed to take away from what DC actually said according to the article linked.
in the article he acknowledges that a myriad of factors and uncontrollable influences can be the reason behind some peoples situations. he is talking about sections of soceity who are personally responsible for how their lives turn out but are too invested in the modern blame culture to accept responsibility.

""Of course, circumstances - where you are born, your neighbourhood, your school, and the choices your parents make - have a huge impact. But social problems are often the consequence of the choices that people make."

i mean is that so wrong?

By the way, I can easily afford to pay private-school fees (probably even ETON), but no way would I want my children to grow up on the fringes of society and hold similar opinions to DC. Yikes.

Given Cameron's speech today about a 'deep clean' of Tory MEP's expenses, presumably the poor are to blame for being just too bloody lazy to stand for the European Parliament? If you resist the opportunity to fleece the taxpayer for hundreds of thousands of pounds, it's your own look-out...

Sherezade is a dippy ex-model, married to a billionaire son of a thoroughly nasty billionaire businessman. She now has two vast homes (inc a sprawling pile in the country) and more money than you can imagine. She fancies herself as a green/eco campaigner. She can't imagine why we don't all keep geese in our gardens or a cow or two. Her husband is best pals with Cameron.

Enjoy this link www.mumsnet.com/Talk/222/547085

Well, its my thread-title and its true to me. Its what DC is saying if you read between the lines. Of course he is throwing in the:

"Of course, circumstances - where you are born, your neighbourhood, your school, and the choices your parents make - have a huge impact. But social problems are often the consequence of the choices that people make."

This is DC we are talking about. He always covers all angles.