Russell Brand 🤢🤮

[Netcurtainnelly]

🤢 🤢 Russell Brand. I never liked him anyway, Now he's on trail. Denies all charges of course.

Ideal jury for rape if you are acting for the defence is young women and older men.

I just have an issue about how these crimes can be proved? There might well have been crimes but I can see it being a hard job for the prosecution to prove them without doubt.....I can see he defence doing a robust job here .

what about the victim who had sex with him willingly but then he anally raped her afterwards?

how will they defend that? She consented but later regretted it ?

the man is abhorrent

his motives were not about having sex but were to control, demean, humiliate and cause pain

I think the victim had had a three-dimensional the previous day. Sadly, though horrible crimes may have been committed the defence have quite wide avenues to explore.

Threesome

There’s allowed to be doubt.. reasonable doubt. Six women who don’t know each other all have very similar stories about this man, that in itself is evidence.

My thoughts exactly.

After all these years- how can it be proved beyond reasonable doubt. Just how?

Is he guilty? On balance, if I had to bet the house on it, I'd say yes.

There's famous men as attractive (not to me, but, for readers too young too remember he was considered very sexy) as he is/was they're not on trial, are they? Nobody's accusing George Clooney of anything.

So it makes me think he's a wrong 'un.

It's really plausible that he was so off his rocker on various substances that he did these things. Dare I say it, he may not even remember.

Is he a changed man? Calmed down possibly. Doesn't excuse what he's done though.

He probably is guilty of something I agree bit in a court of law it is depressing to see how many holes there may be in the prosecution. None of the victims could be labelled 'perfect victims' and it looks like for the majority there seems to be some sort of sexual/flirtatious contact which (though it shouldn't I know) muddies the water enough

I agree. There's no way of knowing for certain if he's guilty.
I'm just going on what I know about how he was back then.
He's always seem unhinged to me. Always.

It is true that a lot of women wanted him sexually. There's no point denying it. All this talk of how grubby he looked. It's silly. Women fancied him. Full stop.

I think on balance he's guilty, but I don't know if it's beyond reasonable doubt.

I think that he will be found not guilty because so much time has passed.
It's not right but what can you do.

That could be portrayed as "I didn"t mean to go so far with her, but she led me on, I hope my partner doesn"t find out" I doubt this is the case and he cares what partners etc. think, not back then anyway, but it isn"t watertight evidence of anything, and this is from what 1999? He is not going to be convicted of anything.

It isn"t evidence of anything that would stand up in court though? He used to joke about rape in his stage act and the audience, men and women, giggled along like simpletons, it was part of his persona but anyone that snogged him back in the day could attach themselves to this media circus by coming out with accusations to get publicity, sell a book etc. now, too much time has passed.

She hasn’t said she entertained him in a flirtatious way at all, they were talking about a project she was working on and as the bar was closing and she wanted to carry on the chat she invited him to her room. She thought it was safe as she believed he was gay. She went to the toilet and when she came out he’d stripped off and then raped her.
That I get is her word against his, but his friend has confirmed he told him.. We should get going, I took it to far with that girl last night. 5 other women all with consistent statements and similar stories.
Your probably right and it’ll be to hard to prove but I hope I’m wrong.
Someone said upthread that he has been talking about the trial on his YouTube channel yesterday, aren’t they told not to discuss anything on social media while the trial’s ongoing… Total disrespect for the law.

Fair point. I know someone who recently did Jury service very reluctantly- as he is self employed and the only earner in a household with 5 kids. He’s losing a lot of earnings and really didn’t want to take part in JS for that reason. I can understand why people in that situation might be tempted to say whatever verdict gets them out of it and back to their real life sooner. Of course it’s not right, but if people are forced to take part in a (minimum) 2 week JS they will lose out a lot of much needed income for it can happen.

As I clearly said - any man, whether famous or not. I'm not talking about RB specifically but responding to the point that ' innocent until proven guilty' doesn't apply in rape cases. It absolutely has to. Whether you like it or not, women DO sometimes make false accusations. It's abhorrent - it not only destroy the lives of those men and their families but also makes things even harder for genuine victims

TotaleclipseinFrance
Nobody's accusing George Clooney of anything.

Apart from his being accused (by the – putative – victim) of covering up sexual assault committed by two other men during a production he was involved in, and helping to get the woman who accused them blacklisted, which while not sexual assault wouldn't be particularly great behaviour either.

Naturally he denies it. But he is accused of something.

Unfortunately the question arises why she didn't continue the conversation in the morning? From a defence point of view a woman invited a very attractive man into her hotel room after drinking......for what... discussions about a project? You can see how the defence will play that.

I get it, I beleive her though so let’s hope the jury do.

The attractive bit is irrelevant (and subjective) and she thought he was gay

And the woman wasn’t drinking. Even if she intended to have sex with him, there’s no justification for rape. Ever

thats bad luck for those men. They shouldn’t have put themselves in a position where they could be accused

Bless her she said it was her first time traveling and staying in a hotel alone. She’d had a very sheltered life and has said very naive. She was just unlucky enough to come across this piece of shit.

worth a watch - it’s only 3 minutes - interesting - she should be a witness!

Kathryn Ryan naming brand as sexual predator

leaves me in no doubt - she’s risking her career speaking out

I know what the defense will argue. Let’s hope the prosecution can give a good argument back.
I’ve been listening to the details on the Daily Times podcast. I think he’d offered to work with her on a project and had said it’d be to loud to talk in a different pub, she thought it was safe to go to a room with him because she thought he was gay, so not looking at her in a sexual way.
To be honest I was 17 in 1999 and it was really common back then that my age group (under 18) were allowed into pubs clubs without the need for ID. I’d meet boys my age all the time and go off with them, it didn’t even enter my head to worry about being raped.
The one time that backfired wasn’t with a random bloke I’d just met it was with a boyfriend who didn’t like the word no.
It’s a joke really, women can’t win.
My rapist was taken to court, the evidence was restraint marks and genital injury.
His defense was, he restrained me because I was being hysterical during an argument and then we made up with rough consentual sex. It worked he was found not guilty. What actually happened was I was on my period so didn’t want to have sex. It’s ridiculous to me that his version of events needed no evidence at all of being true.

Sorry that happened to you. It’s nuts that the jury didnt believe you. I guess they had “reasonable doubt “ 🙄