Edinburgh attack

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/20/counter-terrorism-officers-investigate-after-five-injured-in-violent-incidents-in-edinburgh

Said it before. Will say it again. And will keep saying it. Bad people are bad. There is no ethnic or religious pre-determinant if badness, nor will we somehow magic up some kind of utopian crime free society by blaming people of one skin colour, nationality or religion.
We'll only get one by healing divisions, not creating more.

My sympathies to anyone affected by what's happened in Edinburgh.

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https://www.instagram.com/womenagainstfarrightscotland/?hl=en-gb

https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/women-against-the-far-right-scotland

It's partly that. It's also because the BBC has had to speed up how it reports certain attacks, and the police have had to speed up the rate at which they release information because of the risk of shit being stirred on social media. So, when that car drove through the crowd of football supporters they had to scramble to release the fact he was white before the rabble rousers called for a riot. After the 3 girls were stabbed they didn't release the identity of the killer because he was minor but then had to because online trolls had already filled in the gaps with lies. And people still rioted. And a woman reported a suspected rape in Epsom, and because the "concerned citizens" hadn't been given the info they felt entitled to and decided therefore the rapist must have been a migrant and rioted. She turned out not to have been raped at all (which is a good thing but the rioters didn't apologise).

It's really bad because it means the police/government/media are being dictated to buy a crowd of Angry(TM) people who will riot if they aren't given the information they demand. And because it means sometimes the wrong information is given out (eg the birth country of the Belfast attacker) in the rush. It also means any attack which might involve a migrant/person with foreign parents/person with suspicious skin/wrong religion as the perpetrator gets reported very quickly and in great detail. Which leads to a huge discrepancy in reporting and feeds the narrative further.

I don't know what the answer is because I actually prefer the BBC taking a bit more time to report things and get it right. But if they aren't doing it evenly it's not fair and creates further problems.

https://bsky.app/profile/johnswinney.bsky.social/post/3movnzp7km22t

Today I met members of Edinburgh’s Muslim community and heard directly from those affected by the appalling attacks.

No one in Scotland should ever fear being targeted because of who they are.

My government will always stand against those who seek to divide us.

Nobody trying to make political capital out of it except the government, you mean? Remember they couldn't comment on various attacks because they were before the court etc, yet here they are speculating on motives?

Can you provide a link to anything to substantiate the claim that people in Government have been publicly speculating about motive?

I used to hang about with him when younger the whole things a shock to people that no him

Read the post at the top of the quote chain, the one that says:
Bad people are bad. There is no ethnic or religious pre-determinant if badness, nor will we somehow magic up some kind of utopian crime free society by blaming people of one skin colour, nationality or religion.

What that poster ignored is that it's not "people", it's men.

The FIFY version goes:
Violent men are violent. There is no ethnic or religious pre-determinant of male violence, nor will we somehow magic up some kind of utopian crime free society by blaming men of one skin colour, nationality or religion.

Racist violence, like all other forms of violence, is overwhelmingly perpetrated by men. No one in this quote chain is trying to claim that these attacks weren't racist. We are refusing to pretend that women pose the same risk of racist violence as men do.

We are collectively being manipulated by the Russians, including the uptick in racist incidents targetted at all ethnicities. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r2l352z2do

And a woman reported a suspected rape in Epsom, and because the "concerned citizens" hadn't been given the info they felt entitled to and decided therefore the rapist must have been a migrant and rioted. She turned out not to have been raped at all (which is a good thing but the rioters didn't apologise).

Tulsa all over again.

@selffellatingouroborosofhate ah the great white protectors ..aye only when it suits.
I'd lay money these idiots will still frequent kebab,curry houses ,Turkish barber,the corner shop etc.
A lot of them wouldn't say anything if a mate slapped a wife or partner because that would be justified by she deserved it.

Except this wasn't a case of a white woman falsely accusing a black person (or other race) of attacking them (as in cases lie Emmet Till). It wasn't even the case (as in Tulsa) of a minor incident being exaggerated into something else.
The poor woman in question didn't make any direct accusations as far as I know. She believed she had been attacked but didn't know who had attacked her which isn't that unusual in the case of rape. Instead the Angry people decided they were entitled to all the details, and assumed that they were being deliberately denied said details because it was an immigrant and decided to riot.
It's the level of entitlement to information/the assumption that they the mob are the real victims (not the woman) that's so disturbing. And is really harmfulnto women. Hypothetically if I suspect I've been attacked but don't know the identity of the attacker should I report it to police? Or would that be irresponsible given the absence of a racial ID will cause other people so much psychological distress it generates a riot. It's super damaging and shows an utter ignorance of how sexual violence works and how it affects victims.

Re culpability for Tulsa: The woman in the lift didn't make an accusation against Till, a bystander did. She screamed at the time as he had just startled her by jumping through closing lift doors, but later on (sadly, too late) she clarified that he'd done nothing wrong.

The point I was making was that, just as Emmet Till's murderers weren't willing to be patient and trust the justice system, so all these people demanding to know the colour of the accused right now aren't being patient or trusting the justice system. Just as Till's murderers wanted to attack all black people for the perceived action of one, so these racists on Britain's streets want to attack all muslims for the perceived actions of one. Vigilanteism is never a good course of action.

And is really harmfulnto women. Hypothetically if I suspect I've been attacked but don't know the identity of the attacker should I report it to police? Or would that be irresponsible given the absence of a racial ID will cause other people so much psychological distress it generates a riot.

It's not the responsibility of a rape victim to prevent a riot by racist men. Women are not responsible for what men do.