Can anyone help me understand what this means?

[itsgettingweird]

I’ve been reading that the man responsible for throwing the child into the crocodile enclosure has been placed on conditional bail as they aren’t considered fit enough for questioning.

What are the conditions likely to be? Are they monitored? Is it released to a secure hospital?

Otherwise it seems strange to me someone too unwell to be questioned but unwell enough to throw a 3yo to a crocodile is deemed well enough to be allowed to roam the streets again?

I’m not strange. I just prefer to wait until we hear the full facts instead of what some unverified “eyewitness” (who is probably going to jeopardise any case in court) has to say.

And in no way was the poster you quoted minimising or negating the horror of what happened.

Being the most outraged rarely makes you the most right.

As is posting totally unsubstantiated claims that the parents were busy on FaceTime.

This. Those people make me sick.

Wow. Victim blaming, much?

He’s probably got fairly severe learning disabilities. Therefore, he wouldn’t be fit to either stand trial or be questioned. Tbh I’m surprised they even arrested him.

My son (2 at the time) was attacked by an autistic 17yo. Absolutely no consequences and the police couldn’t have cared less. We need to really think how we manage caring in the community. I won’t fall into the trap of blaming his carers. I know of a pretty unpredictable 35yo man with learning disabilities who goes on these kinds of days out with 2 carers. He’s 6 foot 5 and prob about 18 stone. If he wanted to do something, I doubt they’d be able to stop him, through no fault of their own.

Hi op, I work in courts and basically everyone charged with a crime is entitled to bail unless there are no conditions that the judge or magistrates feel are enough to reduce the risk of: further offending, interfering with witnesses or fail to surrender.
It can also be refused if you've offended while on bail or breached bail previously and stuff.
There are also some crimes where bail comes with much tighter restrictions or can be refused including DV cases, attempted murder etc.

Basically, the defence will have had to come up with a set of conditions that the court are satisfied will keep the public (and sometimes the offender) safe.

This can include residential requirements, curfew, no contact with people under 18, exclusion zones etc

I would imagine in this case that the person has a very strict set of conditions and is highly unlikely to be roaming free anywhere.
If he has severe learning disabilities as someone else on here mentioned then he may well be in a residential setting with 24hr supervision.

It's been stated that the man has a serious learning disability so probably has the cognitive ability of a 2 year old, or younger. He would therefore have no understanding of what he did nor the consequences.

He needed two carers on the day and social services don't provide that level of care unless it is needed. Sadly it still wasn't enough.

He is autistic and lived in supported accommodation.

So the child just threw himself off…. Don’t be so ridiculous.

Apologies @itsgettingweirdthis was in response to another poster

If he already lives with carers he may well be subject to DOLs already

In which case bail with conditions, which is essentially what a DOLs provides (without the bail bit) is what he is already subject to

If he is LD/ASD putting him in a cell until the charges are decided wont really achieve much except to perhaps worsen some of his issues or comorbid factors

It wouldnt serve much purpose

Im talking generally, I havent read much about the case.

And eight foot glass walls round these dangerous individuals who perpetrate these appalling acts.

That’s a really fucking stupid comment. Of course anyone would be outraged regardless of who the culprit is.

It sounds like there’s been an enormous failing somewhere in the care organisation of the person who caused this. If the person is disabled and requires carers then there’s been a failing in their care needs assessment.

Hope they don’t destroy the crocodiles not their fault.

There was another thread on here about this which I commented on and now I cant find it in my lists so I assume it was deleted

We have to stop blaming carers for these incidents. Carers would not be able to stop this. They may have had (we dont know for sure) ability to restrict him physically under DOLs, but even if they didnt have that ability you can physically restrain someone in an emergency

But, its not always possible, you might not be able to contain that person.

Unfortunately care in the community being what it is, has enabled these types of things to happen. They are the price of what people wanted. They do not want people who are vulnerable with LD.ASD type disorders to be locked up and not able to enjoy the community. Even with a DOLs someone can access the community.

Not LD, but PD and ASD.

Certainly highly likely to have caused his desire to harm

If he is LD/ASD putting him in a cell until the charges are decided wont really achieve much except to perhaps worsen some of his issues or comorbid factors

And if he's not capable of being interviewed he wouldn't be capable of staying in a cell without an appropriate adult so they would have to lock up at least one carer with him

Ok I’m hearing the many different responses.

Carers not responsible
The person with learning disabilities is not responsible
The small child is not responsible
The poor croc is obviously not responsible

Does anyone have any thoughts on how to prevent this happening

this but people like @gamerchick are determined to blame everyone other than the violent attacker.

He had a severe learning disability so he lacks capacity. He has no understanding of what he did or why he did it.

The perpetrator is responsible. Why would you say otherwise?

Might be diminished responsbility, who knows. That has to be assessed obviously

But there is only one person responsible.

I doubt you will like my answer but sometimes it is impossible to predict what will happen in every scenario without the benefit of hindsight.

I suspect it was a series of events that day that ended so tragically for the little boy and everyone else involved.

That’s of zero consolation to the victim or his family. This can’t just happen.

Yep. Murder is usually unpreventable.

Its the human condition that some humans want to hurt others.

Where did you read this?