do you think fathers for justice help their cause?

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No I don't

Harriet HArman was on the radio earlier saying that she hadn't had a request via eitehr her constituency or ministerial offices for dialogue with them. She can't understand why they are there. Neither can I tbh

I agree with their cause but the way they go about gaining publicity is pretty wrong imo.

I can't get the link to work btw

How come they have time to protest and get arrested?

Nothing against protesting it just that a lot of resident parents do not have the time due to the fact that there ex's will not have contact with the dc.

i do agree that seperated/divorced/non resident fathers should have an active input in the lives of their children - but i also believe there should be an organisation 'mothers for justice' that ensures dangerous fathers shouldn't get anywhere near their kids and that mothers bringing up children on their own get far more help and empathy from society as a whole.

these guys just look ridiculous - i can't take them seriously at all.

hope this works

Yes, I think fathers4justice do help their cause.

It's only by carrying out extreme actions like this that will bring about a change in the law and make it more favourable towards men and less heavily biased towards women.

Remember that women had to protest, and some of them even died, so that other women could get the vote. Fathers4justice will suffer the same, I'm sure.

I do and I don't - They're highlighting what's happening. But they're doing it in the wrong way.

I hope they do help their cause, i hate the fact that there are some women hold their children away from their fathers

I also hate that whenever fathers4justice are mentioned, you get the responses about shite/dangerous dads, it's a different bloody topic and one has nothing to do with the other

And to answer why they have time, it's because their ex wives aren't letting them see their kids! it's obvious

Fathers4justice's 'history' is that the organisation was founded and run by a number of fathers who had very little or even no contact with their children due to them being violent and abusive to their wives, ex-wives, partners and children.

No, the reason a lot of the members of F4J can't see their kids is because they are violent arseholes with restraining orders against them. And the tactics they use, of intimidation, trespass and criminal damage, don't help that much: would you want to let your kids go off with one of these bellends?
Yes, there are some women who are maliciously preventing contact between non-residential fathers and children. But there are rather more women desperate for estranged fathers to take an interest, turn up on time, engage with the children, etc.
F4J is an utter wankers organisation.

I think their tactics are cringeworthy at best & menacing at worst, & I rather like Harman's response about not wanting to inconvenience the police or her neighbours, so she's off to a hotel.

They might have an argument, but tbh, what a sad bunch of wrinkly tighted berks. Even if one gives them the benefit of doubt re: colourful marital/parental histories of some of their members.

Didn't one go on a building dressed as Superman?

Let's not forget FFJ disbanded temporarily after some of its members were involved in a plot to kidnap Leo Blair. That's the kind of men we are talking about here - not decent, caring daddies.

is that true madamez?

I have never had too much sympathy for them but don't know that much about their history.

I have to say I have no personal knowledge of mothers withholding contact for malicious reasons but quite a lot of knowledge of abusive relationships and unreliable fathers. I really try not to generalise based on my own experience though.

interesting reading

Interesting and scary.

twats

I will never forget how sickened I was when some of them planned to kidnap Leo Blair. They have dug their own graves. There are far far far more cases of abusive men carrying on abusing than good wholesome men unjustly deprived of contact with their children because of a malicious ExW. I also know personally a wonderful father who has sole custody of his son because the mother is a total idiot. I know that is just one example but IME that does happen when it is justified.

F4J seem very sinister and abusive to me in the way they behave.

sorry
can i precede my last post with "stupid f*&$ing"?

as you can see Sal likes to get straight to the point!

I am the diplomatic half of the marriage! Scary huh?

nah - I like a person to get straight to the point

cool! Then you and Sal would get along. I am honest but I tend to be a little more subtle about my point than he is!

I thought the Leo Blair story was a lot of nonsense, and essentially the "plan" involved a couple of drunk guys in a pub saying that would get them publicity?

that was not my impression of it at all.

anyway even if that was the case what kind of loving father would traumatise a little child and family for the sake of some publicity.

sorry no excuse as I am sure you would believe if it was your child they were plotting to kidnap.