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America - take over

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littlebilliie · 01/02/2025 23:33

There is a LOT going on in America today

From Washington Post

"Billionaire Elon Musk’s deputies have gained access to a sensitive Treasury Department system responsible for trillions of dollars in U.S. government payments after the administration ousted a top career official at the departmentt_, according to three people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe government deliberations."

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gingerlybread · 02/02/2025 17:48

@SassK
Terrified that mocking disabled people and minorities is normalised.
Terrified that classic texts can be removed from libraries overnight.
Terrified that people with secure civil service jobs who have been faithful servants of whatever part is in power, can be summarily dismissed.
Terrified that people doing this stuff claim to be Christians.
Terrified that our children are involved in more war, more civil unrest, a more uncertain world and more pollution and climate change.
That's scary enough for me!!

Harassedevictee · 02/02/2025 17:49

w10mum3 · 02/02/2025 16:23

But the majority of government is made up of non-political career civil servants, which is why you can transition from one administration to the next without everything coming to a grinding halt. What Trump is doing is not limited to his cabinet/advisors/appointees. He is trying to decimate the non-partisan workforce and replace it with partisan loyalists. It's a stated objective of project 2025

I know he has a Civil Service, but they normally serve the gmt of the day. Trump appoints the people like Elon Musk etc. who set the direction. For example in the UK each Department has a Perm Sec or CEO but they then have Ministers who can come in and change the direction, stop work on one area, decide what is important etc.

RampantIvy · 02/02/2025 17:54

I have just read this on a news website:

Trump has already issued executive orders that banned diversity, equity and inclusion in the government, as well as one that recognised two sexes, male and female.

On Saturday, leading public health agencies appeared to have culled webpages that discussed gender, sexually transmitted diseases, and LGBT health.

CDC webpages that previously contained such data on youth, transgender and LGBT health contained "page not found" messages on Saturday morning.

Another page dedicated to "Supporting LGBTQ+ Youth" , was also not available on Saturday morning, though the page is archived by the WayBack Machine.

A page that collated data related to "Health Disparities Among LGBTQ Youth" , externalalso appears to be gone.

Meta and Amazon are scaling back their diversity programmes, joining firms across corporate America that are retreating from hiring and training initiatives criticised by conservatives, citing legal and political risks.

In a memo to staff, Meta said it was also scrapping its diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) efforts due to a "shifting legal and policy landscape".

Walmart and McDonalds are among the other firms to have made similar decisions regarding diversity efforts since Trump won re-election.

It looks like I am going to be doing a lot of boycotting now.

EmmaMaria · 02/02/2025 17:58

flapjackfairy · 02/02/2025 10:31

Well surely that is his endgame? I don't understand much about politics but surely
he is going to try to overthrow the 2 terms rule and I would imagine with the backing of the likes of Musk the USA could surely effectively become a dictatorship. It seems to be part way there already.
Trump showed last time that he is wiling to cling on to power by any means and that he is above the judicial system so the battle is already well on the way to being lost .
Or am I over catastrophising ?

I was predicting him attempting to delete the 22nd amendment the day after the election.

chargeitup · 02/02/2025 18:02

@GrammarTeacher

People don’t understand/don’t care. It’s hard to understand some of this stuff and Trump focus on saying easy things.
The problem is people like @Toseland are so over focussed on one policy like LGBT going to LGB that they blind themselves to everything else with no appreciation that that one change comes with a whole bunch of bigoted policies that will subjugate all minorities.

Even Hitler would have said something reasonable. That doesn't mean anyone reasonable would support Hitler.

KingDangerMouse · 02/02/2025 19:04

Livelovebehappy · 02/02/2025 17:06

Don’t be ridiculous. Trump was in power from 2016 to 2020, and nothing of any real significance happened to suggest he is anywhere close to being like Hitler. This is pure hyperbole, and not helpful at all. He is not Hitler, he is not going to round up the disabled and LBGT community in America and murder them. People should actually have been having all these concerns during Biden’s last 12 months in office, when he was clearly unwell mentally, and shadowy figures working him like a puppet. Did anyone really not give a toss then about the scary situation America was actually in?

It isn’t ridiculous. Hitler’s rise to power was a decade in the making, not confined to the 6 years of WWll. I also recall Trump separating migrant children from their parents and interning them - that’s pretty significant. The parallels are there to see.

w10mum3 · 02/02/2025 19:34

Harassedevictee · 02/02/2025 17:49

I know he has a Civil Service, but they normally serve the gmt of the day. Trump appoints the people like Elon Musk etc. who set the direction. For example in the UK each Department has a Perm Sec or CEO but they then have Ministers who can come in and change the direction, stop work on one area, decide what is important etc.

Yes, but the US system is very large and doesn't work quite the same way. Incoming governments might change policy or direction, but they don't change the makeup of the civil service work force. That's what Trump is doing. He is replacing a neutral workforce with partisan loyalists in positions that are not meant to be partisan.

Zonder · 02/02/2025 19:55

Livelovebehappy · 02/02/2025 16:56

‘Strong rumours’ doesn’t equal fact. People were condemning Trump for elaborating on what caused the air crash, without having concrete evidence. Yet we then have people referring to strong rumours about PubMed as if it’s truth. And then all subsequent responses responding as if this is actually going to happen. So much rubbish being talked about in the media at the moment, based purely on rumour.

I deliberately used the term strong rumours. No it's not fact... Yet. But it's not a long stretch from what Trump is already doing. If I had said it was fact I could understand your post but I didn't.

littlebilliie · 02/02/2025 19:58

@SassK

If things change in the US it will change cultural behaviours and attitudes across the world.

I'm sure they don't have an "end game" but there is power grab going on in the US.

For better of worse the US has had power and influence and if they drop out of everything there will be a power vacuum.

There is a lot of "what does it matter" "it won't affect us" - I find it useful to here other voices, but I feel you want to silence the discussion

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Livelovebehappy · 02/02/2025 20:28

SassK · 02/02/2025 17:41

This 👆❓️

Lots of assertion on this thread about how terrified we should all be. Terrified, tell us explicitly, of what eventuality?

I would say, looking at comments on here equating Trump to Hitler, that the end game is Trump eradicating anyone who is disabled, and anyone who identifies as LGBT, and he will then invade us all and rule the world.......

GildedRage · 02/02/2025 20:53

Trump is voicing interest in annexing Canada similar to Putin taking over Ukraine.
What does Trump have to do with us/Canada or the Uk? He equally could apply tariffs and want to annex your country as well.
Be aware, treaties and shared history mean nothing to him.
His country is trillions in debt he will inflict pain on everyone to help his country get out of debt, sounds fine but he’s lashing out at everyone.
Musk tweeted it will be a very difficult 2 years for the USA to bring home manufacturing and get out of financial trouble.
Fingers crossed Canada does similar.

Talkinpeace · 02/02/2025 21:27

The White House website used to include pages and pages of history of the presidency
Have a look at it now

HappyNewFeckingYear · 02/02/2025 21:30

Surely the end game is Fortress North America, he was working on it last time. They use to work as allies, do people really think NORAD just tracks Santa?

One of Trumps posts for Social Truth this morning

America - take over
HappyNewFeckingYear · 02/02/2025 21:33

Talkinpeace · 02/02/2025 21:27

The White House website used to include pages and pages of history of the presidency
Have a look at it now

And things Americans consider important, like the constitution.

TokyoSushi · 02/02/2025 21:34

Honestly, for day 12 it's absolutely nuts. It has a much more sinister feel than last time too.

Userxyd · 03/02/2025 03:46

This is really scary. It's like Afghanistan and Nazi Germany rolled into one.
How can anyone not be terrified by this? @SassK he's given a foreign unelected national control of the government finances including access to bank details? Imagine how he'd respond if Biden had even so much as thought about this?! Plays right to their fear mongering but if he does it they cheer him on?
Imagine combining this priceless data with say Bezos Amazon data? Maybe they'll decide which people do and do not deserve welfare payments? Horrific to imagine but look it's actually happening.

littlebilliie · 03/02/2025 07:50

USAid has gone

The closed it and suspended the Team.

To drop out of Aid programs like this wil change the work

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HappyNewFeckingYear · 03/02/2025 08:12

GildedRage · 03/02/2025 00:26

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/donald-trump-us-trade-deficit-canada
except it’s not even remotely true.@HappyNewFeckingYear

Remember, we are back in an age of alternative facts.
The target audience wants believable propaganda not the truth, they've been trained.

littlebilliie · 03/02/2025 08:25

If the US Dollar gets sidelined in world trade as it may due to tariffs etc.

China will come looking for the debt it owns $786bn there won't be much of America left.

If the Dollar drops off as the trusted trade currency they lose economic power and the American people will have inflation like they have never seen before.

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littlebilliie · 03/02/2025 08:27

Userxyd · 03/02/2025 03:46

This is really scary. It's like Afghanistan and Nazi Germany rolled into one.
How can anyone not be terrified by this? @SassK he's given a foreign unelected national control of the government finances including access to bank details? Imagine how he'd respond if Biden had even so much as thought about this?! Plays right to their fear mongering but if he does it they cheer him on?
Imagine combining this priceless data with say Bezos Amazon data? Maybe they'll decide which people do and do not deserve welfare payments? Horrific to imagine but look it's actually happening.

I hadn't thought of Amazon but they know the identity and location of everyone in the western world

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Kendodd · 03/02/2025 09:11

littlebilliie · 03/02/2025 08:27

I hadn't thought of Amazon but they know the identity and location of everyone in the western world

Not me. I don't shop on Amazon (although does this protect me?!?). They seem the default gift card now though ): I made a resolution to pass any Amazon gift cards I'm given to the local women's shelter though.
While on the subject, can anyone recommend a British/European alternative to Facebook, X, Google etc?

MikeRafone · 03/02/2025 09:23

Zonder · 02/02/2025 08:07

I'm married to a scientist. He told me last night there are strong rumours that Trump is getting rid of PubMed. That's a free, reliable resource that holds mountains of scientific research. The impact of that will be huge.

ffs

why does he want to get rid of it? What is the reason? real reason I mean

MikeRafone · 03/02/2025 09:26

mastodon created by a German

Zonder · 03/02/2025 09:26

MikeRafone · 03/02/2025 09:23

ffs

why does he want to get rid of it? What is the reason? real reason I mean

I imagine it's to do with the DEI focus. Control. Making sure just white men are doing everything.