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Will WW3 really happen?

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anonny55 · 24/11/2024 20:29

Do you honestly think ww3 will happen? Will it be nuclear? Obviously we don't know for sure but what do you think..

I think englands very different to how it was in ww2. Is there anyone actually willing to fight for the country anymore? Most the men I know say there's nothing worth fighting for!

Do you think the US president will try and make as much of a shit show for trump to have to deal with as possible? It seems that way from the news but of course you can't always believe the news either.

Are you scared? I'm petrified!

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Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 08:50

username8348 · 25/11/2024 08:33

It's not illegal to claim asylum nor is it illegal to enter the country in a small boat.

Asylum seekers are around 3% of immigrants coming to our overcrowded island. The rest are students or workers filling vacancies.

Your quite right. Our local town now doesn't look like down town Mombasa, I must just be imagining it

EverSoPuzzled · 25/11/2024 09:14

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 08:50

Your quite right. Our local town now doesn't look like down town Mombasa, I must just be imagining it

Mombasa is beautiful. I rather doubt some random English town is as lovely.

username8348 · 25/11/2024 09:22

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 08:50

Your quite right. Our local town now doesn't look like down town Mombasa, I must just be imagining it

I have no idea what you're imagining. My point is they're not illegal and the vast majority are given visas by the government.

itsgettingweird · 25/11/2024 09:47

WinterMorn · 24/11/2024 22:27

2.5 million “invaders”? Really? Some true colours coming out here.

Isn't there just?!

Considering any attack in 2024/25 is likely to be cyber, nuclear or biological I really don't think it matters where the people who originate it are.

The false narrative around the stabbings started from a foreign news site well known for creating division and fear.

itsgettingweird · 25/11/2024 09:48

TheScoop · 25/11/2024 01:52

One day in the future, humans on planet Earth will be fucked. Until then, enjoy this fleeting time of consciousness. Do what you can to make the world a better, happier place.

I have said - mostly tongue in cheek - many times "the dinosaurs probably thought they'd be roaming and owning earth forever!"

Moonlightstars · 25/11/2024 09:50

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 08:49

Do you love tony Blair and read the guardian

No!

Bramshott · 25/11/2024 09:53

I think it's substantially less likely now than it was in the 1980s

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 09:57

itsgettingweird · 25/11/2024 09:47

Isn't there just?!

Considering any attack in 2024/25 is likely to be cyber, nuclear or biological I really don't think it matters where the people who originate it are.

The false narrative around the stabbings started from a foreign news site well known for creating division and fear.

It wasn't really a false narrative. The terrorists parents were linked to a foreign warlord and the terrorist himself was known to intelligence services for his growing Islamist extremism (he wasn't the Christian that was claimed)
These people were brought here, and the deaths are the fault of the people that brought them

username8348 · 25/11/2024 10:01

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 09:57

It wasn't really a false narrative. The terrorists parents were linked to a foreign warlord and the terrorist himself was known to intelligence services for his growing Islamist extremism (he wasn't the Christian that was claimed)
These people were brought here, and the deaths are the fault of the people that brought them

Nothing was known about the suspect before the riots. It was rumoured that he was a Muslim asylum seeker, he wasn't.

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 10:14

username8348 · 25/11/2024 10:01

Nothing was known about the suspect before the riots. It was rumoured that he was a Muslim asylum seeker, he wasn't.

He is a Muslim. His parents were asylum seekers linked to a Rwanda warlord. MPs have been banned from asking questions in the house about the subject. He's also now been charged with producing ricin.
It's claimed people stired up hate.....I'd say extreme immigration and the deaths of children is causing division and hate. Claiming people reacting are the issue is just gaslighting.
Remember the pm and his deputy threw themselves to one knee when blm rioted.

username8348 · 25/11/2024 10:32

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 10:14

He is a Muslim. His parents were asylum seekers linked to a Rwanda warlord. MPs have been banned from asking questions in the house about the subject. He's also now been charged with producing ricin.
It's claimed people stired up hate.....I'd say extreme immigration and the deaths of children is causing division and hate. Claiming people reacting are the issue is just gaslighting.
Remember the pm and his deputy threw themselves to one knee when blm rioted.

Nothing was known about him before the riots. You are speaking with hindsight. He wasn't an asylum seeker that came here on a small boat which was the rumour.

It wasn't declared a terrorist incident and can you provide evidence he's a Muslim please?

I'm sure you're aware that it's an ongoing trial which is why MPs can't talk about it.

IMO years of dehumanising and inflammatory language, as well as hate filled incitement caused the riots. Calling people 'invaders' doesn't help.

Maddy70 · 25/11/2024 11:05

Wars these days can be more effective with cyber attacks than weapons

I honestly dont worry about it

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 11:59

username8348 · 25/11/2024 10:32

Nothing was known about him before the riots. You are speaking with hindsight. He wasn't an asylum seeker that came here on a small boat which was the rumour.

It wasn't declared a terrorist incident and can you provide evidence he's a Muslim please?

I'm sure you're aware that it's an ongoing trial which is why MPs can't talk about it.

IMO years of dehumanising and inflammatory language, as well as hate filled incitement caused the riots. Calling people 'invaders' doesn't help.

Dehumanising or inflammatory language? Lol

I'd say treacherous governments caused it.

Not a terrorist incident lol. Governments love people like you lol

I'm out. 👋

username8348 · 25/11/2024 12:03

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 11:59

Dehumanising or inflammatory language? Lol

I'd say treacherous governments caused it.

Not a terrorist incident lol. Governments love people like you lol

I'm out. 👋

Great counter argument there.

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 12:35

username8348 · 25/11/2024 12:03

Great counter argument there.

Wasn't meant to be an argument 🙄

username8348 · 25/11/2024 12:40

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 12:35

Wasn't meant to be an argument 🙄

No kidding. Emojis and lols do not a convincing argument make.

Msmoonpie · 25/11/2024 12:41

No. Not even Putin is mad enough. It’s all threats.

WinterMorn · 25/11/2024 13:02

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 11:59

Dehumanising or inflammatory language? Lol

I'd say treacherous governments caused it.

Not a terrorist incident lol. Governments love people like you lol

I'm out. 👋

Thank God

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 25/11/2024 13:54

After the Bay of Pigs/Cuban missile crisis in 1963 (very much a squeaky bum moment in history), there was a direct line installed from Moscow to the White House - the fabled ‘Red Phone’ - so that if there were missile testing/use from either side that could be detected & mistaken for a nuke capable delivery weapon, neither side would accidentally kneejerk press the button.

So, last week when Russian launched the Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (not a InterContinenal Ballistic Missile, the US were told by Russia 30 MINUTES BEFORE THE LAUNCH that they were going to fire the IRMB into Ukraine.

It stops a ‘Whoops Apocalypse’ moment. And it’s also why during the NATO Able Archer exercise in 1983, thanks to a communication break down, it was only the good sense of a Russian Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov which means we’re all here on the Earth, not as dust floating in the upper atmosphere.

Does this mean there will be no WW3? Of course not. But it would be more likely for Russia to cause disruption via cyber attacks targeting our energy infrastructure/banking/NHS/governmental systems than an all our, boots on the ground conflict.

To start, Russia have had to bring in 10k of North Korean soldiers & weapons as their troops have suffered very heavy losses as they’re struggling to supply their troops at the front with equipment. Cyber warfare is far easier (and cheaper) to cause disruption to NATO countries supporting Ukraine.

Also, nukes are bloody expensive. And the tenet of Mutually Assured Destruction still stands. It would suicide for both Russia & their nuclear supporters (North Korea & China, although China have been suspiciously quiet in their allegiance with Russia for a while now) and the nuclear capable NATO forces (Britain, the US, France) if an all out nuclear war started.

Could there be a proxy war between Russia and NATO? Possibly. Late 70s/early 80s there was the war in Afghanistan with the US & their allies on one side & Russia on the other, likewise Iran, and further back Korea & Vietnam. Even the recent Gulf Wars/Afghan wars could be considered proxy wars between the pair. It could be considered that Ukraine is also a proxy war (Ukraine being supported by being supplied by weapons by countries that also happen to be in NATO, and Russia being sent NK soldiers to go to the front line).

As for preparedness, if you can it’s always wise to have supplies in for a few days. We are vulnerable to bad weather events (such as Storm Bert just this weekend), plus cyber attacks aren’t unknown (the malware event that hit the London NHS trusts only a few weeks ago immediately sprung to mind). The UK govt have a whole site giving advice on preparedness here https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

The tl;dr of my ramblings is this. The chance of a full on nuke conflict isn’t zero (because these weapons exist) but it is low. There may be (yet another) proxy conflict. There may be Russia or their allies fiddling with our critical infrastructure/hacking to inconvenience us. Putin is a dictator (who seems to have rather a lot of people of influence falling out of windows over there if they speak out against him, I think the term is defenestration) but I don’t think he’s a suicidal madman.

Get a few tins of beans in just in case of disruption by all means (as advised if you can anyways), but it’s not worth worrying to the point of obsession about an imminent nuclear war & start digging a shelter in the back garden. The planet would be bollocksed if an all out nuclear war happens anyway, so why worry?

Note - I’m 52 & lived through the Cold War, with Threads, The Day After, When The Wind Blows, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, 99 Red Balloons, news about US nukes based on our shores & four minutes warnings as the soundtrack to my teens. Maybe that’s why we partied so hard back then? Obsessing over every news report - and mainstream media peddling WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE headlines lately, looking at you Daily Mail, scaremongering bastards - takes too much energy from what we all should be doing & that’s enjoying today, with our loved ones, doing the best that we can. Us fleshy meat tubes are never guaranteed a tomorrow, so why waste the time we have worrying about what might happen?

Get prepared for emergencies

https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 14:42

username8348 · 25/11/2024 12:40

No kidding. Emojis and lols do not a convincing argument make.

Looking at the state of my local town.... which just 20 years ago was a wonderful Lancashire town with a history and community.....now it's a 3rd world hole with not a single English child in any of the schools.... every one who can afford to get away from the flood has, where they now live in new build homes built on our beautiful countryside..
That's all the argument I need love

WinterMorn · 25/11/2024 17:27

Hadn’t you announced you were leaving?!

DanielaDressen · 25/11/2024 17:30

Superworm24 · 24/11/2024 22:40

No. The world has moved on and war is so different now. I'd be more concerned about cyber attacks.

And cutting off the gas and wheat supplies. We could be slowly starved to death and couldn't do much about it.

username8348 · 25/11/2024 17:49

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 14:42

Looking at the state of my local town.... which just 20 years ago was a wonderful Lancashire town with a history and community.....now it's a 3rd world hole with not a single English child in any of the schools.... every one who can afford to get away from the flood has, where they now live in new build homes built on our beautiful countryside..
That's all the argument I need love

I find you unconvincing because you don't know fact from fiction, which I doubt has stopped you before.

FirstNationsEnglish · 29/11/2024 03:52

username8348 · 25/11/2024 08:33

It's not illegal to claim asylum nor is it illegal to enter the country in a small boat.

Asylum seekers are around 3% of immigrants coming to our overcrowded island. The rest are students or workers filling vacancies.

True, it is not illegal to claim asylum, but this needs qualifying by : in the first safe country where you arrive, because, having already arrived in a safe country, it is most certainly illegal to arrive in the UK via a small boat without a valid visa and passport.

username8348 · 29/11/2024 04:02

FirstNationsEnglish · 29/11/2024 03:52

True, it is not illegal to claim asylum, but this needs qualifying by : in the first safe country where you arrive, because, having already arrived in a safe country, it is most certainly illegal to arrive in the UK via a small boat without a valid visa and passport.

Edited

There is no obligation in the Refugee Convention, either explicit or implicit, to claim asylum in the first safe country.

An asylum seeker can't be penalised for how they enter a country. It is not illegal to enter a country in order to claim asylum.