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Good God - this story beggers belief.

129 replies

Notalone · 27/04/2008 18:27

How could this have been allowed to happen?

uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080427/tts-uk-austria-abuse-62c696a.html

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Wolfgirl · 29/04/2008 17:58

KerryMum oh yessssssssss! and quite probably worse!

WendyWeber · 29/04/2008 20:12

I think his sentence should be to spend the rest of his life locked in that cellar, with the necessities of life passed through a hole in the wall, and being raped regularly

Is that too harsh?

WideWebWitch · 29/04/2008 20:13

This is so awful. The pictures of the rooms are just chilling.

WendyWeber · 29/04/2008 20:14

Pan, there are people who never leave their towns and never go on holiday for perfectly innocent reasons, you know.

I believe he did this entirely on his own.

Disenchanted · 29/04/2008 20:14

This is so awful.

I wouldn't be surprised if it came to light he had been raping the daughter of his daughter (who would also be his daughter and grand-daughter?!)

Its horrific

LittleBella · 29/04/2008 20:17

I know, let's all sit here exchanging torture and revenge fantasies.

Because that's a really healthy and thoughtful response to this event.

WendyWeber · 29/04/2008 20:20

OK, LittleBella, what are your healthy and thoughtful responses?

KerryMum · 29/04/2008 20:21

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LittleBella · 29/04/2008 20:48
Hmm
wannaBe · 29/04/2008 21:00

actually it would be entirely possible to go on holiday, just as long as they had enough supplies for while he was away. so buy in two weeks worth of groceries, and off he goes...

Apparently some respected psychiatrist has said that it would have been better for the children to have been allowed to remain in the cellar and to gradually integrate them into reality, as just taking them out like that would have been extremely traumatic for them.

PuppyDogTails · 29/04/2008 21:31

He spent 4 weeks on his own in Thailand

WendyWeber · 29/04/2008 21:35

Yes, I just saw that too, PDT - more pics in the Mail

Didn't he have a lovely time

The police think he must have had help but I remain to be convinced.

treelover · 30/04/2008 00:00

can someone who knows about genetics please tellme how all her children managed tobe born healthy enough to survive? since three of four grandparents are one individual, doesnt that mean seriously recessive stuff takes over?
this sort of incest is far worse than sibling incest, or first cousin unions which produce children with a far higher rate of genetic problems, so surely this should have been almost impossible?

PaninoPan · 30/04/2008 00:15

Well the holiday thing rather shows my point - it would be incredibly difficult to go away for four weeks without external support.

and I'm not sure at all about KM's meaning of " here come's the houlire than thous" thing. What??

PaninoPan · 30/04/2008 00:16

Well the holiday thing rather shows my point - it would be incredibly difficult to go away for four weeks without external support.

and I'm not sure at all about KM's meaning of " here come's the houlire than thous" thing. What??

PaninoPan · 30/04/2008 00:16

Well the holiday thing rather shows my point - it would be incredibly difficult to go away for four weeks without external support.

and I'm not sure at all about KM's meaning of " here come's the houlire than thous" thing. What??

PaninoPan · 30/04/2008 00:19

holier obv. And just the once...

PuppyDogTails · 30/04/2008 08:43

You could stock up on food for 4 weeks I suppose.

nooname · 30/04/2008 11:40

"I know, let's all sit here exchanging torture and revenge fantasies.

Because that's a really healthy and thoughtful response to this event."

TBH Littlebella I don't know that there is any way of having a healthy and thoughtful response to this but expressing anger is surely natural and probably helpful????

What this man has done is more horrible and shocking than anything I have ever contemplated in my whole 33 years on this earth. And I don't feel I have kept my head in the sand as to the terrible, awful things that happen to people, especially women, every single day on this godforsaken planet

I don't know if anyone else feels this way but I am not exaggerating when I say I feel deeply and profoundly affected by just knowing some idea of what this poor woman and her poor children have somehow existed through over the last 20 or so years.

I honestly don't know what a healthy response to this is. I think it probably is healthy for people to express their feelings of anger towards this man.

I am generally a very liberal person who believes in prisoners rights and so on but I won't deny I have had fantasies of what this man should suffer to somehow make up for what he has done. I can't say I have ever felt the need to do this before.

PaninoPan · 30/04/2008 12:23

well, there are number of things that this man could do to "somehow make up" for what he has done. I do doubt though that he ever will.

An explanation to those he has hurt as to why he chose to behave in such a greivous manner, rather than leaving them with no understanding as to why they were treated so grievously.

Evidence of genuine and deep remorse would assist very probably. And an enquiry from him, to his family as to what they wish him to do to attempt to make ammends, in so far as he is able.

The violence that usually accompanies these threads from a handful of posters is shocking, and highly self-indulgent as if they have proprietorial rights over a "victim" status, to the discomfort of other people who have been victims,and have a different emotional, cognitive and spiritual reaction.

smallwhitecat · 30/04/2008 12:33

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nooname · 30/04/2008 12:35

PaninoPan - my point is that this is different from anything I've ever seen before and anger seems an appropriate response.

Any human being with the capability of empathy will have a reaction to this and they have a right to react, just as much as people who have been victims of abuse have a right to react. Not having been a victim of abuse doesn't mean you should not be able to respond in any way you need to.

I am fortunate never to have been a victim of abuse but I feel deep empathy and anger about this and it is valid for me to express that if I need to.

bossybritches · 30/04/2008 12:36

I think any noraml decent person would have the instinct to want to punish this evil excuse for a human, but obiously we wouldn't want to descend to his level of behaviour, so we just sound off on threads like this.

I see no need for anyone to justify their reactions, they will all be different as we are all different but similarly reacting with horror / disgust/ sadness and disbelief.

More will unfold as the weeks progress I suspect. I just wish the news headlines on the radio could be phrased a little more tactfully with the wording when a great number of their listeners would have little people with flappy ears around.You can't always dive to turn it off in time! (but then that's a beef of mine for many a news headline)

PaninoPan · 30/04/2008 17:33

no probs nooname re expressing anger/horror. The violent posters add to this.

Bossyb , I know!! Dd hasn't asked about it, thoughI'm not sure she has heard it yet. I'm being told thatthe age most children will be able to make sense of most stuff on the news is about 10. That's when we can let up a little on the diving-for-the-button trick.

but this is something else.

oiFoiF · 30/04/2008 18:25

treelover, I think your closest genetic relative is your sibling, so a brother and sister would have more likelihood of having a child with a disability than a parent and child iykwim It is something that made me wonder though about the 19 yr old. Whether she had a genetic condition which was incestuous and thats why the hospital 'twigged' so to speak.