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Why is Biden so reluctant to step down?

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Newsenmum · 19/07/2024 23:57

I Still can’t understand why he won’t step down. He should never have run again, he wasn’t popular. Why did he? Surely he must know he’s going to make Trump win?

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SheilaFentiman · 21/07/2024 08:12

BustingBaoBun · 21/07/2024 08:08

Maybe our culture and our view is wrong then.

Edited

I think that was QEII’s personal view, though. It may be that Charles - or, more likely, William, abdicates for age/health reasons.

Zonder · 21/07/2024 08:18

BustingBaoBun · 21/07/2024 08:08

Maybe our culture and our view is wrong then.

Edited

It's not the view of everyone in our culture, but it was the view of QE2. She did a sterling job right up to the end so no reason to think she in particular got it wrong.

BustingBaoBun · 21/07/2024 08:30

Zonder · 21/07/2024 08:18

It's not the view of everyone in our culture, but it was the view of QE2. She did a sterling job right up to the end so no reason to think she in particular got it wrong.

I don't want to derail this thread, but if she had abdicated 20 years before she died and allowed Charles a few years at the big job before handing over to William, the royal house would look a lot healthier than it is now.

As far as Biden, I wish he had not stood in the first place, there are some very decent Dems out there, they would've had time to build a decent defence against Trump, but now....it's a mess

Hazeby · 21/07/2024 08:34

Nosummerontheagenda · 21/07/2024 07:22

I just find it extraordinary that someone with no political experience or a politics degree can stand for office.

That’s my point though - it’s not extraordinary that they can stand, the extraordinary bit is that people vote for them.

Hazeby · 21/07/2024 08:37

To be fair, if you look to before Trump, most presidential candidates were credible - Obama, Bush, Clinton. You might not agree with their politics but they had experience as state governors and so on. The current situation is unusual.

Zonder · 21/07/2024 08:38

BustingBaoBun · 21/07/2024 08:30

I don't want to derail this thread, but if she had abdicated 20 years before she died and allowed Charles a few years at the big job before handing over to William, the royal house would look a lot healthier than it is now.

As far as Biden, I wish he had not stood in the first place, there are some very decent Dems out there, they would've had time to build a decent defence against Trump, but now....it's a mess

In what way would it look healthier? I always felt she was a better monarch than Charles would be.

Freysimo · 21/07/2024 08:38

Mmmmdanone · 20/07/2024 14:24

Not at all like QE. Monarchs rarely step down.

And why should she have done? She was sharp to the end.

Changingplace · 21/07/2024 10:17

I’m not a US citizen but I’m dreading Project 25

To be fair, even Trump has said he’s not behind Project 35, it’s been written by a Thinktank not his people. And I am in no way normally defending Trump!

BustingBaoBun · 21/07/2024 10:24

Changingplace · 21/07/2024 10:17

I’m not a US citizen but I’m dreading Project 25

To be fair, even Trump has said he’s not behind Project 35, it’s been written by a Thinktank not his people. And I am in no way normally defending Trump!

Course he says that. But it was written by Trump's inner circle, those that he had close to him in his Administration which he stacked with loyalists, sacking anyone who opposed him.

DysonSphere · 21/07/2024 12:54

Zonder · 21/07/2024 08:38

In what way would it look healthier? I always felt she was a better monarch than Charles would be.

The Monarchy has no pizazz, it looks boring, unappealing and out of touch. It needs young blood. The current generation (Late millennials and Gen Z) see it as symbol of wealth inequality and don't care for tradition.

They certainly don't have much truck with 'Anointed, Not Appointed'

I support the monarchy and liked the Queen, but she made mistakes with her children and I think two things would modernise the RF: 1. Handing over the reigns after a certain age 2. Being able to deviate and choose the appropriate offspring to succeed if the firstborn is not palatable. Many would argue Anne would have made a more fitting successor to the throne.

As regards Biden, he ought to step down and Kamala should be nominated but therein lies a problem because she doesn't have a capable, authoritative image imo. I have no idea if she is capable, but PR wise she doesn't come across as strong in that sense. If I was to compare her to Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama, Kamala would not stand out alongside those two women if they were candidates.

Rfthyhuj · 21/07/2024 14:24

Hazeby · 21/07/2024 08:34

That’s my point though - it’s not extraordinary that they can stand, the extraordinary bit is that people vote for them.

Why on Earth would a politics degree be necessary? We elect politicians for their political views, not civil servants.

Nosummerontheagenda · 21/07/2024 14:28

Rfthyhuj · 21/07/2024 14:24

Why on Earth would a politics degree be necessary? We elect politicians for their political views, not civil servants.

So they understand political history

Witchbitch20 · 21/07/2024 14:41

hybris

SheilaFentiman · 21/07/2024 15:34

Nosummerontheagenda · 21/07/2024 14:28

So they understand political history

I’m not sure that the PPE degrees of many ministers have helped much...

I do think some “life experience” would be good. I like that my prior MP was a GP by training and practice, for example.

meditrina · 21/07/2024 15:57

QE2 believed in the divine right of monarchy and saw it as her role from God so wouldn't be able to resign

Of course she didn't!

The Divine Right was abolished in the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

There is no way at all that any British monarch since then has been unaware of that.

Being head of the CofE, and her own personal faith which led her to make her famous "lifelong" vow are both unrelated to Divine Right

As is resignation. The Regency was well after the abolition of the Divine Right, and was a very good solution when a monarch became too infirm to carry out the constitutional role. So she also must have known that she could retire (via Regency) and did appear to be taking steps towards that, with Charles taking on some constitutional roles; and the strong possibility of more to have followed.

Zonder · 21/07/2024 16:27

You're right in that it wasn't technically the Divine Right. However she did believe that it was her God given duty and vowed to serve as Queen for her whole life, however long or short it might be.

dottiehens · 21/07/2024 16:48

Because he is an ass who criticised Trump and is acting the same.

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 21/07/2024 16:58

Willmafrockfit · 20/07/2024 14:18

bit like Queen Elizabeth, she refused to step down

Nothing like it!

User135644 · 21/07/2024 17:09

A bit harsh to blame Biden when he doesn't know what day it is most of the time.

BustingBaoBun · 21/07/2024 17:39

User135644 · 21/07/2024 17:09

A bit harsh to blame Biden when he doesn't know what day it is most of the time.

What's your source for that statement?

Roselilly36 · 21/07/2024 17:47

He is a sick man, that is obvious to anyone. I doubt he knows what he’s doing enough to have an opinion, perhaps his other family members are enjoying the perks and are reluctant too relinquish them

BustingBaoBun · 21/07/2024 18:51

He has stood down.

BustingBaoBun · 21/07/2024 18:53

Here

Why is Biden so reluctant to step down?
northernerinthesouth2000 · 21/07/2024 19:06

Everyone looks a little silly now!!

Willmafrockfit · 21/07/2024 20:44

his hand was totally forced