Michael Mosley-a body has been found

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Body found in search for presenter Michael Mosley https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kk9gvw8l0o

so sad for his family

I think one of the main ones that leads to a spiral is really simple - its leaving later than you had originally planned. Just one singular point of failure really.

Even experienced outdoor people are prone to over estimating their abilities and under estimating the weather conditions too.

Dead simple. Very easy to say 'i wouldn't be stupid enough to do that'. Until you are actually in that situation.

Yes it just seems like a series of errors, in an unfamiliar place, in extreme heat. Why would there be a cover up? Do people think he was killed by 'Big Sugar'? That Mr Kipling took out a contract on his life? Why would you go off to kill yourself while carrying a sun umbrella? As his wife stated, he too a wrong turn, in the heat and possibly delirious, he has made some bad and desperate decisions and fallen. Poor man. What a loss to his family and to his friends.

Yes indeed, both awfully sad and a stark lesson for us all.

Never underestimate effects of heat and dehydration.

Yes, although “leaving later than planned” doesn’t seem to be the issue here.

Have you ever actually worked with doctors (which he never has been a practising one in last 40 years) I have they can be medically brilliant but a lot of them lack common sense. Also a lot are arrogant and won't be told what to do.

A lot of people treat doctors like they are these infallible gods, and they aren't.

I know you mean well but please don't use the word closure. It is an Americanism that has crept into our language and is really quite meaningless. There is no closure in bereavement and even less so when the death is sudden or violent. The bereaved do not feel less pain because a body has been found, or a criminal aprehended. I remember Joanne Yates' father asking people not to use the word "closure" when her raped and mangled body was eventually found in an icy ditch.

I worked in Saudi Arabia, went on bush wack (basically a desert trip) with a few others. It was their winter but it was still ferociously hot regardless. One of our group went for a hike, he went missing for a number of hours( cant recall now) eventually he was found only because he had told some of the group where he was intending to go. This was in the days before mobiles or GPS. When he was found he was completely delirious and had ferocious cramps as he was so dehydrated. He had brought water with him but not sufficiently to last the length of time he was out as he had got lost. He was severely sunburnt and we had to immediately abandon our trip to get him seen to. His recollection of events was poor so we were never sure whether he got lost and became dehydrated/delirious or vice versa. Easily done in extreme heat.

I went for a walk in Lebanon on a break from the restriction of Saudi Arabia delighted to not be wearing abayas and just walk around freely...ended up with heat stroke. If you're used to running from air conditioned building to air conditioned building and your preoccupation is not getting sunburned you can forget about the longer term effects of the extreme.heat and sun. But ultimately we dont know the full circumstances as yet.

Really liked Dr Mosley, he was a very relatable man and seemed very genuine. Condolences to his family.

Have you ever actually worked with doctors (which he never has been a practising one in last 40 years) I have they can be medically brilliant but a lot of them lack common sense. Also a lot are arrogant and won't be told what to do

Not a doctor but I once worked with a man who was utterly brilliant at complicated finance deals - thinking about them, working out how they'd work, putting them together, persuading other banks and companies to participate, making sure they worked....for all practical purposes outside of work he needed a minder because he'd wander along, head in the air, not taking the slightest notice of where he was or what was going on around him.

The sort of behaviour that gets you into trouble you can't get out of rather quickly. And yet he was one of the cleverest men I've ever met.

there are so many possibilities I don’t see the point of speculating. Lots of people seem convinced the heat was a factor, maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe he tripped and fell awkwardly because he had an umbrella in his hand.

We may never know for sure. I feel very sorry though - I met him once and took the opportunity to thank him as the 5:2 had worked really well for me. He seemed pleased, just a very kind and genuine man who seemed exactly like he did on tv.

I add my sadness at the untimely death of Dr. Mosley, may he rest in peace.

This is not a criticism of the doctor at all, however I was in Southern Spain last week ShadeBathing and dodging the mid afternoon heat every day. The temps were about 30d+, but it felt roasting. Lovely to be in the heat alright, but in full sun, not for me it is far too intense and the glare is very hard on the eyes especially when the sweat drips from the forehead down into the eyes, and everywhere else too.

Anyway, one day at about 2pm I nipped down to the shop for milk and water, and had to pass the pool area. I was in long light trousers, a t shirt a hat and sunglasses. The pool area was full of (Brits) in bikinis and shorts sunbathing without umbrellas up. I really don't know how they do it, that would be torture for me and it reminds me of a pig on a spit. Just me, and horses for courses.

The Spanish people went to the pool at around 7 - 7.30 pm, had a swim, the kids frolicked around, and it was just so balmy - I went down then also. Just shows, the natives really do know how to deal with intense heat.

Please remember that I am just talking about my experience, and it is in no way meant as a criticism of the doctor at all.

He was a rare Doctor in that he had a very human touch, and explained complex science in a simple and understandable way. I'm off my diabetes medication thanks to his advice, and have most of his books. His advice changed my life for the better. I feel genuinely upset at his death, and my heart goes out to his family and loved ones today. Rest in Peace Doctor

“Pig on a spit”?

”The natives”?

Nice.

Natives is correct terminology

What's wrong with natives?

What's wrong with natives? That poster meant native to Spain ie born and live there.

What did you think it meant, WriterofWrongs?

Ok I knew I shouldn’t have included “natives” because I was likely to get pushback.

Yes I know that poster meant native to Spain, and so it wasn’t incorrect. But “natives” does have racist connotations in some contexts and so if often avoided, and it was the way it was used combined with other wording and a general superior moral tone that made me go

So you knew the context in which 'natives' was being used, and it was the 'general superior moral tone' that got your hackles up.

I think this is what's called a 'you problem.'

To add, I felt the poster’s entire tone was patronising and felt the usage of ‘natives’ was part of that.

You really don’t need to be ‘a native’ to know how to deal with intense heat. A lot of it is common sense.

I totally agree with this.

I was in Spain last week.

There is a heatwave on. Its very very hot.

I stayed inside until 4pm, then I went and sat outside on a sun lounger, that was completely in the shade.

I went down to the beach after 7pm each day.

You have to be sensible in that heat.

The amount of Brits abroad I saw there going out in the blazing heat in midday, no hats, and lying on the beach in the roasting sun at 1pm.

they were walking around with terrible sunburns

I saw some terrible sunburns.

It was stupid of them to be honest.
You really have to be careful in that heat.

No, you misunderstood. It was the combo of the tone AND the choice to use ‘natives’ together. Or perhaps, using ‘natives’ as part of that tone.

I do think the native Spanish have a bit more sense about the sun than us, but that's because they're more used to the dangers of the Sun too.

They stay in the shade until after 4pm

The brits abroad get one week in the sun every year, so they're thinking about fun, they're not thinking about the danger of the sun.. it can be very dangerous.

Do you include yourself in the Brits abroad who gets one week in the sun every year, so are thinking about fun and not the danger of the sun?

I'm definitely a brit abroad!

But last week I took a lot of precautions in the sun in Spain. You really have to be careful.

I saw a lot of people drinking, lying out in strong sun and getting very severe sunburn.

Sorry but I disagree, I think it is a very good term to use. We are talking here about his wife and family now knowing that he is indeed dead, and able hopefully in next few days to understand how and why to some extent.

When someone disappears and no trace found, the family keeps wondering, hoping, imagining, waiting, without any release ever. No, people never 'get over' something like that, but at least they know that the person is not suffering and calling for help somewhere, anywhere.

So I am glad his wife and family have some sort of closure. Not knowing is the worst thing possible.

I disagree I have to say.

I also think closure is a bad word.

You don't get closure when you find a body.

Its a terrible shock to find it