Shannon Matthews Mother arrested !!!!!

[kay1981]

They have arrested her on perverting the course of justice - which i think means lying to the police under oath doesnt it?

Is it at all possible that they knew where she was all the time?

Perhaps cahnnel 4 should now re-show the documentary on shannons family and see how it is received knowing what we know.

Oh, so it's the media wots to blame. Silly me. I thought is was the people who are completely prejudiced against anyone who lives on a council estate. None of the newspapers have said KM is a benefits scrounger.

Oh God, these attitudes, the constant need to have some reason to hate KM and her ilk (aren't the allegations as they stand enough fodder on their own?) is just utterly depressing. And I dont even think it's a snobbery thing because none of those who are being particularly harsh on KM strike me as being umm... The Snobby Type. (except maybe Olive, she's a right stuck up cow).

I'd say anyone who thinks living on a council estate = bad mother or benefits scrounger is a snob, tbh.

Yes but Wannabe it's down to the individual whether they choose to build caricatures from the given facts.

Snob yes, but tbh I think that is a tag that some almost hold as a positive trait - I think it lets them off the hook for what are, snobs or not, pretty nasty, spiteful ideas about others.

I think it's time we stopped being so scared to judge, and started as a society saying we respect the values of:

A stable family life
Responsibility as a parent
Self sufficiency and resposibility, financially and as parents

These have nothing to do with class or wealth.

well I would say that about 80% of people on my old council estate are on benefits, whether they scrounge it (?) or just apply like normal, I have no idea

and I will have you know I am upwardly mobile JV [Hyacinth Buckett]

I am not being harsh on this woman anyway, just saying that popping children out every year to a different man does not strike me as the actions of someone creating a stable home environment [diplomatic]

anyhoo, I can see my P45 being prepared, so I must dash

nobody in this post has said that EVERYONE who lives on a council estate is a scrounger/bad parent whatever.

I really dont get it.

There have been lots of posters who understandably have got angry that there are people who take the piss out of the benefits system.

You only need to drive round a council estate to see the vast differences in the way people choose to spend their money.

There are some who are grateful for the opportunity of having a subsidised home, have managed to get employment, and some who have not managed to get work but will genuinely try.

On the other hand there are lazy scroungers, with the flash cars (more than one per house), the satelitte dishes, mobile, computers, popping off on holidays (because yes, you are allowed to go on holiday when you are on benefits unlike the workers who have to often decide whether to do some overtime in order to give the family a break).

I think if you read the whole thread again, you will find clearly that you are looking at making this thread into a 'pop at the benefits scroungers' thread, now you have realised that sticking up for KM is wasted.

The woman is evil. End of.

Far too many people on this thread have actually been very quick to judge. Have assumed living on a council estate makes KM a benefits scrounger, conveniently ignoring the fact her partner has a job.

And financial self-sufficiency obviously has to do with wealth, for heaven's sake!

yes of course it is jv, but most people form their opinions based on what they know of someone, and when you don't know someone personally, then what you know of them is usually what you've read about them in the media. And the media will choose the one piece of information that is likely to have the biggest impact. so if they'd written "karen, who became a nun after the birth of her youngest child," the perception would be different.

I by no means think that people who grow up on councel estates are bad parents, nor do I think that people who live on benefits are scroungers. But I do think that someone who has 7 children by 5 men has questionable morals at best. And I would think that even if they had millions in the bank. I cannot believe that anyone thinks that having that many men in and out of children's lives doesn't effect them.

Has anyone said KM is a bad/mother or person because she lives on a coucil estate????

I think that is some people leaping on a prejudice that was never expressed.

Most critism is becuse of her unstable relationshjips and the effect that will ahve on chikdren.

Some critism also has a presumption that she has probaly never worked to support all the children she has continued to produce.

This is an assumption, but it's possible to see why people may make that ssumption, correct or not.

And NOT because she lives ona council estate!!! Get over it. Every family in council house does not require you to jump to the defence of every perecived critism of any inadequate who may also happen to live on thier estate.

They can the difference in thier families as can we.

"The woman is evil. End of."

In my world, people are innocent until proven guilty.

I have consistently posted on many threads that I strongly oppose the provision of benefits to adults who are able and capable of working. This is an economy where work (beitsoever potentially menial) is widely available.

What benefit scroungers have to do with this case I do not know.

she is guilty as fuck.

Hey chocfest I think you stopped this thread dead!! No one knows how to respond!

fuck fuck fuck fuck

You can be poor and self sufficient.

Providing the basics and getting by, as many families do.

It is actually the bleeding hearted liberals who do a great diservice and refuse to acknowldge that reasonalbe peopel can see the difference between decent families on coucil estates and dyfunctioanl inadequate parenting on council estates.

Respecting certain values Stillwaters has nothing whatsoever to do with judging. Judging somebody [especially with few actual facts] doesn't do anything except allow the judging individual to indulge in a fairly useless hobby where speculation and mean spiritedness are key.

Have tried very hard not to get involved with this but now can?t help myself.

The point about having seven children by five different men is that it shows a lack of good judgement. This is not related to class or wealth or sink estates or whatever. It?s down to KM.

It might just be possible to bring up children successfully with lots of different fathers but logic and years and years of the human race raising children suggests that?s it?s not a good idea to take the risk.

Again and again and again KM has ignored this common-sense. She has very bad judgement.

Everyday we are all faced with choices. Many times a day, a week, a month, a year we can make the right decision or the wrong decision. It looks to me like she has continually, over many years made the wrong decisions.

While I have a small amount of sympathy for her, given the poor life chances she has experienced, she has deliberately placed herself in the position she is in now.

We are all paying for her choices. Council housing, benefits, children?s homes, the police, the courts, prisons, etc etc etc. We are paying and will continue to pay.

A big thank you Karen Mathews ? well done on the decisions you?ve made over the last 32 years, thanks for spending my money.

applauds Stillwaters

No Wannabe, it is down to the individual which prejudices they hold.
I would assume we have read the same 'facts' re KM in the media - yet our thoughts on the subject could not be more different.

hmm laura - we 'know' very little about km to pass judgement

Sorry but seven children by five different fathers is enough for me to think that she does not make good decisions.

I don't live on a council estate, as it happens, just object to the very nasty prejudice expressed by some posters. Who have invented the idea that Karen Matthews is a benefits scrounger and a bad mother because she lives on a council estate. Read the thread. Just a sample:

"a sink estate is a council estate full of families from hell, like the one they live on"

"she is a bad mother, he is a bad 'stepfather' and they live on a sink estate, the children don't have a chance"

"What I'm saying is that Shannon's mum doesn't deserve taxpayers' money"

"having 7 kids by 5 different men and living off taxpayers to do it"