Shannon Matthews Mother arrested !!!!!

[kay1981]

They have arrested her on perverting the course of justice - which i think means lying to the police under oath doesnt it?

Is it at all possible that they knew where she was all the time?

Perhaps cahnnel 4 should now re-show the documentary on shannons family and see how it is received knowing what we know.

doesn't matter where she lives, what she does. I just can't comprehend anyone setting up their child to be abducted, just to gain public attention and sympathy (and cash?). She's sick.

That poor wee girl

By Edam '..some posters. Who have invented the idea that Karen Matthews is a benefits scrounger and a bad mother because she lives on a council estate' (bold added)

Examole sgiven to prove this by Edam:

'a sink estate is a council estate full of families from hell, like the one they live on"

"she is a bad mother, he is a bad 'stepfather' and they live on a sink estate, the children don't have a chance"

"What I'm saying is that Shannon's mum doesn't deserve taxpayers' money"

"having 7 kids by 5 different men and living off taxpayers to do it"

Edam none of these statements backs up your argument that people are saying she is bad beacuse she lives on a 'sink estate'. The quotes you have chosen are syaing that she is bad and she does live on a sink estate but none say that is why she is bad. You have made this leap in the arguemnt.

Yes people have referred to both, yes people are negative about some coubcil estaes, but no one has said the reason she is a bad mother is because of where she lives.

Or if they have you haven't quoted it and I didn't notice it.

well i agree highlander

i said to dp last night - some good HAS come from this

Shannon is out of it

continuing to produce more children into an already dysfunctional family is IOM selfish.#

You are right about not knowing how many partners married etc people have, but it is quite clear in KM case that those children need paying for, and by whom? The fishmonger will not be working for a long time, neither will she so who will it be down to...... oh yes, me!

God help any of you having a wild old time knitting round the guillotine lose your jobs. It's said in general we are all only a few pay-cheques away from poverty. The economic downturn may well mean many people lose their homes and end up in (shock horror) council housing. Will they all be instantly transformed into soap*-dodging benefits scum?

*There have been accusations of KM not knowing what a bar of soap was on a previous thread.

Another example of class prejudice IMO

What is relevant is where they live - ie Dewsbury. The type of house is not relevant unless you are trying to blacken the character of the mother.

Again I am going back to the McCanns with this - the publicity surrounding them did not AFAIK mention that they lived in privately owned modern four-bedroom detached or whatever they own.

Do you see what I mean? That poor woman was demonised from the start. Now she may in fact be a demon but she's "guilty as hell" in everyone's mind because she is poor

bleedin hell just hark at the vultures.

i shouldnt think so for one minute Edam, because if that happpens to me, I for sure, would be making sure its a temprary thing and do my best to be back in work asap and moving on with my life.

quatrro yes i agree

the matthews address is oft quoted in full - is this allowed?

No, I haven't made the leap, it's there in the thread, just didn't have the inclination to scroll down any further. And you'll see since my post there have been other claims about benefits.

But since you ask, how about this one?

'it's not just their lack of intelligence; it's teir stupidity, the fact that they are selfish greedy, that one of them has child-porn on his pc, that they sponge off the state without making any positive contribution to society at all throgh their lives. Yes, a democratic society has a duty of care towards those less privileged. The Matthews are not just that, they are vile. I wish their benefits would stop and they were made to work'

you know, its called using the system for what it is meant for, not abusing it as SOME BUT BY NO MEANS ALL do.

chocfest, you can try as hard as you can to get a job in the middle of a recession but it might not happen. That's one of the main characteristics of a recession, companies sack people, they don't hire.

Actually Edam I have been to Dewsbury. I don't live that far away from there and happen to have a great aunt in a nursing home in Dewsbury. However I have never been to this estate.

I do think this benefits thing is totally spurious. Presumably having several different Dads for your children spreads the burden of their upkeep a bit. However there was a big interview in the local rag with Shannon's Dad who said he hadn't seen her for many months which I frowned on at the time, although it was before Shannon was found.

However I agree on the stability issue.

Edam, some one who has always worked whenever they can, loosing their job and needing benefits and maybe consrequentlky requiring a council house, does not compare to the type of person people are referreing to when they use the term 'benefit scrouger'.

The scanerio you describe would elicit sympathy fro most poele and the opinion that that is exactlky what the benfit systen should be for.

Your inabilkity to see the differnce in these scenarios suggests to me that you are very irrational on this subject and have lost perspective and because of your central belief that this prejudice is everywhere you are seeking out proof for this where it does not becessarily exist.

I think you need to logically think through some of the arguments ad try to sepatare that from your own obvious aganda.

do you know how many jobs there are that people refuse to take up?

Why is it that the eastern europeans manage to find plenty of it, and work all the hours in the day to make a living, because they want to, and they have to, unlike some who choose to ignore the fact that there are plenty of these jobs around and who probably blame them for taking up the jobs.

And I dont remember there being a recession for a good few years and there would have been a great many people who never worked during that time.

Now I expect they are loving the thought of another one of the horison as it will ensure they dont work for a few more!!!

By Edam 'But since you ask, how about this one?

'it's not just their lack of intelligence; it's teir stupidity, the fact that they are selfish greedy, that one of them has child-porn on his pc, that they sponge off the state without making any positive contribution to society at all throgh their lives. Yes, a democratic society has a duty of care towards those less privileged. The Matthews are not just that, they are vile. I wish their benefits would stop and they were made to work'

Edam ,this does not state anywwhere that this poster thinks these things of the KM because she lives ona coucil estate either. Do you really think it does

The poster makes many unpleasnt assumptions about them but none of them are based on them being either stupid, selfish or greedy beacuse of whewrer they live.

You seem to be struggling to find the quote to prove that that is what many on this thread have actaully said.

there's lots of stuff on this thread about sink estates and benefits, just read the damn thread.

I've got to go and do some work.

And where did the idea, repeated endlessly, that they are on benefits/living off the taxpayer come from? Only possible source is assumption that council estate = benefit scrounger. Because it hasn't been stated by the police or media.