WTAF? Asylum seekers to be detained across the UK in shock Rwanda operation

[Tenmus]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/28/home-office-to-detain-asylum-seekers-across-uk-in-shock-rwanda-operation

"The Home Office will launch a surprise operation to detain asylum seekers across the UK on Monday in preparation for deportation to Rwanda, weeks earlier than expected, the Guardian understands.
Officials plan to hold refugees who turn up for routine meetings at immigration service offices and will also pick people up nationwide in a two-week exercise.

They will be immediately transferred to detention centres, which have already been prepared for the operation, and held to be put on later flights to Rwanda. Others identified for these flights are already being held."

I am actually shocked by this. A cruel, inhumane action with terrible optics and a colossal waste of money.

Not much of a surprize when the Guardian have now announced it and scuppered the whole operation, no agenda here then or is it a leak by the civil service?

How many people are actual asylum seekers, how many are economic migrants ?
Thats more interesting.
The whole world can’t be allowed to come and live here.
But for economic reasons, lots want to

What proportion of applications would be a yes to you think?

What would the grounds be for a no? I mean if you are overwhelmed by people who meet the criteria for asylum do you say yes to everyone or limit in some way?

Where will they live? Who pays for it all?
We can’t get a doctors appointment, rents are really expensive .
People are becoming homeless.
Yet we should take foreigners from anywhere without proper checks

If they're judged to be economic migrants, then their asylum application will be rejected. And as I said earlier, if their application is rejected in France, I think they're less likely to take the risk of the channel, as a failed application would mean that they'd be likely to be removed to their home country on arrival here.

At the moment, applying for asylum here means it's worth the risk. It takes forever for the application to be heard, and there can be multiple appeals. That won't be the case of they've been rejected already.

I genuinely don't understand why the government isn't accepting the French offer. They'd save so much on the accommodation costs while people wait for their applications/appeals to be heard.

Absolutely this country is struggling as it is …it’s about time action was taken

Nothing new this...happened in 2008 and before then. Should never have stopped..99% are economic migrants. No checks nothing we are letting rapists into our country

The Tories won Brexit by harnessing racism and it is their last and best hope for winning the next election. They'll get these flights underway whatever the cost.

"20,888 (12%) people were granted refugee status or other protection following an asylum application in the year ending June 2023"

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/how-many-people-do-we-grant-protection-to

This is actually a very interesting development and one I am sure RoI are very worried about. Many of these migrants are coming via France (EU) and ending up in another EU country (RoI) via the U.K.
so who is responsible? France, U.K. or RoI?
I don’t know the answer probably because there isn’t one as it is a brew phenomena when usually the population flow is RoI to U.K. ( legal but likely some illegal flow too)

maybe one of the answers is for RoI to help fund the French coast police along with U.K.?
RoI have backed themselves into a bit of a corner declaring the U.K. an unsafe 3rd country. That bit of politics has backfired somewhat.
like France I don’t think the U.K. has responsibility for illegal migrants that travel to RoI but even less responsibility if they have come via France.
but I understand the dilemma RoI have.

I’m not sure about that stat in the post below the pp seems to be correct

‘Of those who did receive a decision, 8,969 (63%) were grants of protection.’

The yes rate is 63%, which is above EU average

The question I have is about expectation of applications. I think the assumption is that if we create hubs elsewhere we’re dealing with roughly the same number of applications. I think this is not the case, so how do you limit who gets a yes?

I'm watching countryfile

It's quite depressing about problems with food and farming and loss of agriculture land.

Why do we have to keep on accepting economic migrants. It's unsustainable.

And we don't need more young men to drive those mopeds to deliver food

Are they talking about solar panel farms? Because using arable land for this is really worrying me, hundreds and hundreds of acres being taken over.

Creating hubs in other countries would be a terrible idea. Which countries? Where?
those countries and hubs would just become a lightening rod for thousands perhaps more. How would you manage it? How would you ensure the most needy people got into the hub to get their applications processed when there could be humongous daily queues? Would the hubs be limited to just residents of that country or surrounding countries too? How many would you see per day? Why would countries want to host these hubs anyway when they could be a massive source of conflict and unrest and you could potentially lose your doctors, nurses, teachers?
if you limited numbers at the hubs then people wouldn’t want to patiently wait their turn ( how would you manage this demand anyway?) and so could still attempt to come to U.K. illegally anyway.
I think it’s a v naive suggestion that would be hit hard in the face by reality pretty quickly.

I thought we solved all those problems before, by doing Brexit? Because it was all the EU’s fault.

I’m confused…

As a host in the Ukrainian scheme I just want to add to the chorus about how inhumane this is.

Vietnam is becoming a popular holiday destination , so why were there people from there in the tragic dingy where 5 died ?

surely the answer is to make GENUINE asylum seekers have easier access . But keep out economic illegal immigrants. If we continue offering accommodation and benefits the traffickers will not stop because they are greedy . If they are genuine why don’t they stay in France ?

We have several refugee children in DCs school. I noticed that a couple weren't in on Friday and didn't think anything of it. Now feeling worried for them. Poor kids.

And FWIW they have come to this country as they have family already settled and working here who are supporting them.

One day it could be you, fleeing political oppression or war or hunger, relying on the kindness of strangers in another country.

We can limit legal immigration now if we chose to . We could not before . This is illegal entry to our country and others . Completely different . Plus not all asylum seekers either .