WTAF? Asylum seekers to be detained across the UK in shock Rwanda operation

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/28/home-office-to-detain-asylum-seekers-across-uk-in-shock-rwanda-operation

"The Home Office will launch a surprise operation to detain asylum seekers across the UK on Monday in preparation for deportation to Rwanda, weeks earlier than expected, the Guardian understands.
Officials plan to hold refugees who turn up for routine meetings at immigration service offices and will also pick people up nationwide in a two-week exercise.

They will be immediately transferred to detention centres, which have already been prepared for the operation, and held to be put on later flights to Rwanda. Others identified for these flights are already being held."

I am actually shocked by this. A cruel, inhumane action with terrible optics and a colossal waste of money.

You haven’t answered the question.

Who is going to pay for the millions and millions that are going to arrive here without an adequate, evolving immigration system? Where will they live?

With you?

We do not have the housing or infrastructure. Or are you suggesting we just leave them to rot in the streets?

I find people like you infuriating. You have this victim mentality that everyone is broken and tortured based on no evidence whatsoever in the main, and have zero solutions as to how we deal with them - pay for them - house them. It’s utterly sickening to allow this trade to continue - it should have been stopped years ago.

It is only by pure chance that one person is born on a particular piece of land rather than another. We are all the same, all just atoms and molecules

You act as if you could be born anywhere — when this is impossible. You are born of people of a certain tribe and culture. You are the endpoint of a group of people who have passed down their culture and social temperament; you could literally not have been born anywhere else on this planet.

Aside from this existential stuff, if you like Britain, then you should be very careful about who you allow inside.

Certainly not young men from cultures that do not respect or value women. This puts risk on young women in your own country, which you appear to have not thought about at all?

This is why vetting is very important, as is deterring irregular entry. The character of your society will change depending on who you allow inside your country (this can be good or bad, but it must be considered), you cannot just believe your kindness will smooth over any negative consequences. Or that negative consequences do not matter over your need to ‘be kind’

The migration of intelligent and culturally civilised people can improve your country (provided you could even attract them, tbh). But are you sure you are getting them?

100% agree. One day, a few decades in the future, we will look back and see where we went wrong. When we have swathes of immigrants living in tents on our streets. Happens now, but this is nothing compared to what it will be if we don't close our borders. I want my country to look after the people already here. As it stands, society in this country is collapsing. All our infrastructure is overwhelmed. We will end up like a third world country.

Precisely, and the ninnies will still be demanding no borders. It’s a collective case of self destruction and sabotage of every principle and value we hold dear in this country. Our pride and joy the nhs is collapsing under the weight, the housing stock is totally depleted, social care is in crisis. The gp service is non existent. It’s critical that we get a grip urgently. I wonder if the people posting even live here tbh.

I agree with this.

Sorry, I didn't realize you couldn't be vulnerable if you were fit, young and male.
You sound very closed minded.

I mean, actually I don’t think that. I do, however, understand that war and persecution can have an impact on mental health.

You’re free to find me infuriating. It’s actually our Government’s job to work out proper answers based on information and evidence, the issue is that this solution isn’t really based in either of those. As a normal member of the general public, I can and will vote against them because I disagree with how they run the country. I can also voice my opinion to the government that I disagree, which I’ve also done. I can’t, however, single-handedly come up with perfect solutions and implement them.

One obvious element is reducing the pressure on the social benefits system (including houses) by properly supporting those in need - early interventions for health care and social issues etc.

I want a government who puts the people who already live here first and gives them priority for housing, dental treatment etc

That already exists.
Vulnerable asylum seeker leaves country they are at risk and applies for asylum in the first country that they are safe in.
No one has taken that away.

Don't we all

If the UK bordered a country that people were fleeing, would you be happy to take every single one of them? Or would you be asking countries that had better geographic fortune, to help out and take their share?

It's easy to say 'they should stay in the first safe place' when you're several countries' borders and a stretch of water away from that first safe place.

And of course the majority of refugees DO stay in the nearest country, and the majority of the rest stay in countries like Germany, France and Italy. Anyone would think that 90% of asylum seekers were headed for Britain, which is laughably far from the truth.

It seems not on this forum

Absolutely.
If a border country was at war etc I would want the UK to step in and support people. If We are the nearest country and people need help it’s the right thing to do.

I appreciate some countries in this position are struggling to give the support needed.

Every single one of them? Even if the country they're fleeing is several times there size of yours, so there's not a hope in hell that your country can manage then?

I'm sorry, but I think you're lying through your teeth. And I'm not sure why you think that people from a country bordering yours are somehow more worthy of your taxpayers money than those from other countries.

Let’s say there was a massive volcanic eruption in your neighbouring country.
Would you really leave people banging at the doors.

notice how my post was not insulting btw. Insults are unnecessary.

Because sometimes it’s about humanity and not tax/ money.

It really isn’t. If we have the resources to help, then yes humanity. But we don’t, so it means than money is more important, because we have to get the country back on it’s feet. We’re pretty much sinking atm, and allowing further people in means we will be sinking a lot faster.

Globally we are a rich country.

I agree that we're sinking as a country, @Livelovebehappy but the reason is not because of asylum seekers or refugees. The reason is 14 years of Tory mismanagement of the country, and their systematic destruction of public services.

I can't believe people are so easily duped.

Disgusting comment.

This is always trotted out but whoever was in government wouldn't make it any better

What is truly terrible is that you actually believe a Labour government are going to change anything!!!!!

You are deluded and duped if you think Labour will come up with a solution of any kind.

So far better to stick the ones who have spent the last 14 years changing nothing?

If you want a detailed, intelligent and often entertaining account of who has changed nothing in immigration then I can recommend "Bloody Foreigners" by Robert Winder. It's a fascinating read - for example Elizabeth I was the first to try to distinguish between genuine refugees (Huguenots, at the time) and those here "onlie to seeke worke" who were what we would now call economic migrants. We are not the first to invent this wheel.