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EARTHQUAKE AND TIDAL WAVES IN S.E.ASIA WHERE IS LOU33??

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KangaSantaMummy · 26/12/2004 07:51

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE LOU33 IS?

IS SHE BY THE COAST?

THIALAND,

MALDIVES under water we loved them when we were there 3 years ago.

EARTHQUAKE AND VERY FAST TIDAL WAVES REALLY AWFUL

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Earlybird · 30/12/2004 14:22

Here's a message I've cut/pasted from another thread. Thought you all might like to read about how this is all being reported in America..........

I'm in America at the moment, and it is interesting how this sad event/America's response have been reported. George Bush finally made a statement yesterday from the "western white house" (otherwise known as his ranch in Crawford Texas) where he is on holiday. He is currently being chastised for waiting 3 days to make a statement, and it is viewed as a public relations mistake, and a missed opportunity to generate goodwill in the International community (and in such a largely Muslim part of the world).

Bush, and other US officials are responding to the charge that the initial donation of $35M is "stingy" (a charge made by a UN official who rapidly backtracked when he realised the furor his comment had made). FWIW, that $35M amount is the entire budget of the government organisation charged with responding to tragedies - I forget the official name of it. Anyway, on the news this morning, it was stated how that amount is about what the US military spends in 4 hours in Iraq at the moment. Also, understand that Spain has committed $60M in aid already, so the US contribution certainly looks meagre. Bush is defensive and prickly, and saying that the $35M is only an initial pledge, and that much more will be forthcoming.

Everyone is also reporting about how generously the American people are giving privately. Will be interesting to see what the US government will do to make up for a slow and modest initial response.

Another aside - there have been many news reports on exactly what causes a tsunami (sp?), and could it ever happen in America. Fascinating how the media here take a huge natural disaster, and in their attempts to educate the public about the scientific aspects, turn it into a story with "Hollywood disaster movie" potential. Americans do seem to love to be scared - whether it's the potential chaos of Y2K (and everyone needed to build a bunker and stock it with food as computer systems worldwide would crash leaving us unable to function), or the "terrorist lurking around every corner" scare tactics employed so effectively by Bush and his advisors in the recent election....but, that's for another thread....

On a completely practical note - think we should start a new thread as this one is now so long that it takes forever to load.......and this is clearly a subject we'll be posting about for many weeks to come.

NameChangingMancMidlander · 30/12/2004 14:27

Bush's pledge certainly does seem piffling in comparison to Spain, and the UK for that matter. Although it's warming to hear that Amercian citizens are not following their President's poor example. I hope they (the public) start demanding answers of this man, and soon.

KateandtheElves · 30/12/2004 14:34

An editorial from today's New York Times:

President Bush finally roused himself yesterday from his vacation in Crawford, Tex., to telephone his sympathy to the leaders of India, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Indonesia, and to speak publicly about the devastation of Sunday's tsunamis in Asia. He also hurried to put as much distance as possible between himself and America's initial measly aid offer of $15 million, and he took issue with an earlier statement by the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator, Jan Egeland, who had called the overall aid efforts by rich Western nations "stingy." "The person who made that statement was very misguided and ill informed," the president said.

We beg to differ. Mr. Egeland was right on target. We hope Secretary of State Colin Powell was privately embarrassed when, two days into a catastrophic disaster that hit 12 of the world's poorer countries and will cost billions of dollars to meliorate, he held a press conference to say that America, the world's richest nation, would contribute $15 million. That's less than half of what Republicans plan to spend on the Bush inaugural festivities.

The American aid figure for the current disaster is now $35 million, and we applaud Mr. Bush's turnaround. But $35 million remains a miserly drop in the bucket, and is in keeping with the pitiful amount of the United States budget that we allocate for nonmilitary foreign aid. According to a poll, most Americans believe the United States spends 24 percent of its budget on aid to poor countries; it actually spends well under a quarter of 1 percent.

Bush administration officials help create that perception gap. Fuming at the charge of stinginess, Mr. Powell pointed to disaster relief and said the United States "has given more aid in the last four years than any other nation or combination of nations in the world." But for development aid, America gave $16.2 billion in 2003; the European Union gave $37.1 billion. In 2002, those numbers were $13.2 billion for America, and $29.9 billion for Europe.

Making things worse, we often pledge more money than we actually deliver. Victims of the earthquake in Bam, Iran, a year ago are still living in tents because aid, including ours, has not materialized in the amounts pledged. And back in 2002, Mr. Bush announced his Millennium Challenge account to give African countries development assistance of up to $5 billion a year, but the account has yet to disperse a single dollar.

Mr. Bush said yesterday that the $35 million we've now pledged "is only the beginning" of the United States' recovery effort. Let's hope that is true, and that this time, our actions will match our promises.

winterwarmmummer · 30/12/2004 14:37

I am horrified that people are prepared to pledge and then not stump up the cash.

NameChangingMancMidlander · 30/12/2004 14:38

. I knew he was a f*ckwit, but christ !

KateandtheElves · 30/12/2004 14:40

Matbe Bush should say that there won't be any big inaugural festivities in light of these events, and the money that would have been spent on it all can go to Asia.

(I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen though...)

NameChangingMancMidlander · 30/12/2004 14:41

It amazes and disgusts me that Bush should make the pledges and then not follow them up with the actual cash and NO ONE pulls him up on it or forces his hand....

winterwarmmummer · 30/12/2004 14:42

Too much self interest for that surely. They are all such big headed arseholes (how about that for an anatomical picture!)

NameChangingMancMidlander · 30/12/2004 14:44

Surely there is some sort of Global law which prevents gestures like these being made by governments and not being followed up ?

winterwarmmummer · 30/12/2004 14:46

No global law I'm sure. Democracy should take care of it by the people voting them out of office. But as we know already it never works like that.

NameChangingMancMidlander · 30/12/2004 14:48

Bloody madness. I am genuinely gobsmacked that the pea-brained moron got a second term. It is totally ludicrous.

tiredemma · 30/12/2004 15:03

please excuse my french- Bush is another word for c**t.
i cant believe his attitude, could he not spare some of his "defence" (or should that be "attack") budget towards the relief fund? incredible.......

KateandtheElves · 30/12/2004 15:06

I'm no fan of Bush, but I hope that people in the rest of the world don't think that Americans in general are as coldhearted as he is. I know from personal experience that in a time of need Americans will rally around and do whatever they can to help. I am sure that donations from individuals and corporations will be immense.

KateandtheElves · 30/12/2004 15:09

I also want to say that I think it's perfectly reasonable for Americans on the west coast to be concerned about what the effects would be if a similar earthquake and tsunami happened there.

Slinky · 30/12/2004 15:14

I absolutely DETEST Bush - almost choked when I heard him announce how "kind-hearted and generous" he was (when discussing the donations) - I'm sure the Iraqis/Afghans would agree!!!!

Absolute w***!!!

sarahu · 30/12/2004 15:15

someone needs to send that bloody idiot over here to see what its like

tiredemma · 30/12/2004 15:16

absolutly kate, i think people tend to see bush as "a person in a world of his own" quite literally. I have to agree with you about people on the west coast as they are also on a fault line, and bush should see that fortuantly, he would never have to call on emergency relief from any other country.

suedonim · 30/12/2004 15:17

I too am appalled at Bush's response (or lack thereof) but I don't believe he represents the American people as a whole in this case. My experience of Americans is that they are incredibly generous people who would willingly give you the shirt off their back. And speaking of leaders - is T Blair still sunning himself in Eygpt?

I noted on the news that private donations from UK citizens have now exceeded our govt donations by 5 million quid. I surely hope the govt finds more aid to help in the aftermath of this disaster.

lou33 · 30/12/2004 15:20

there was a man from bam in the same resort as us in lanta. His sister has just gone back there to commemorate her relatives and friends dying. He was wonderful with dd2, they were great buddies by the end of the tsunami.

The speed at which nai yang beach is being rebuilt is incredible. Two days and the bars are almost rebuilt right in the same spots. There has been a huge clean up on the beach. Still major devastation, but the locals just want to get up and running again asap, and generate some income to survive. We bought some clothes and supplies for some people today as we feel quite helpless, but I don't believe they want us to go home. They need the money to keep going after something like this.

Sarahu, we have some syringes and lines , that sort of stuff, would it be useful to anyone?

fairyfly · 30/12/2004 15:25

Hi lou, hope you are all coping ok xx
Sarahu, please let us know if you need anything on the 17th January, i realise it is quite a way off but if you can think of anything at all

KateandtheElves · 30/12/2004 15:27

FF, any news of your friend?

fairyfly · 30/12/2004 15:29

No Kate, thanks for asking, hope you are ok

KateandtheElves · 30/12/2004 15:30

I'm fine, thanks. Counting my blessings.

JanH · 30/12/2004 15:32

Apparently it's not the California faultline America needs to worry about so much as a volcano in the Canaries which is going to fall into the sea sometime and cause a tsunami which will wipe out the entire eastern seaboard:

JanH · 30/12/2004 15:36

On a brighter note, DD1 is currently working for a bank's share sales telephone service and she just rang to tell me that one woman has sold all £7000 of her shares today and is giving the money to the disaster relief fund.

Kate, I'm so sorry, your post wasn't there when I started writing that Dennis Smith bit, please go on counting your blessings.

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