Excess Deaths?

[Abbie86]

Did anyone see the speech given in parliament last week on the ongoing huge levels of excess deaths here in the UK and across most of the Western World?

Nobody seems to care about this and it is not in the news. And nobody seems to care that no one cares.

I am expecting a new born in December and worry what sort of world we will be leaving her. Does anyone else find this all a bit worrying?

The cost of the pandemic for cancer sufferers is starting to emerge, experts fear, as new figures show that hundreds more people than expected are dying each month in England from the disease.
Charities and health experts are calling for the Government to act, warning that missed diagnoses during lockdown may be a factor - and that the problem is being compounded by the current NHS crisis.
Since the beginning of September, there have been nearly 900 more deaths in people with cancer than would be expected at this time of year, the most recent breakdown of causes of death from the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities (OHID) shows.
There were nearly 230 extra deaths in the worst week.

Figures from the end of last year, but it hasn't got any better. PP saying the NHS didn't shut down, yes it did. It shut down for all these people who got a late diagnosis and then couldn't get treatment, either because it wasn't available, or because they were fearful of "bothering" the NHS. Either way, it doesn't matter, they died.

I hear you OP. It's frightening.

The average age of death in the USA and Scotland has fallen for 3 consecutive years in a row. A combination of Covid and fentanyl addiction.

Expect the fentanyl problem to hit the rest of the UK very soon.

You were the one calling other peoples opinions of the evidence 'conspiracy'. You are aware are you not that in the Pfizer vaccine trial, there was 1 death from cardiac issues in the control (placeo) group, and 4 deaths from cardiac issues in the vaccine group?

And that the control group was unblinded after just a couple of months, by offering them all the vaccine.

There's not a single word of evidence-proven causation in your comment.

Are you for real? You cannot provide just one properly conducted scientific study to show that they work?

Oh and the Cochrane study, which evaluated many other studies, showed no evidence that they worked - so there you go. But you know best I'm guessing? What a joke!

So the all cause mortality was worse in the vaccine group than the control group and you think that is okay?

I am not sure what planet you are living on but I would expect if the vaccines were safe and effective that the all cause mortality would be worse in the unvaccinated group.

Just goes to show, you can't argue with stupid.

So the all cause mortality was worse in the vaccine group than the control group and you think that is okay?

Do you have a source for that?

Andrew Bridgen provided the source in his speech to parliment. But you watched that before jumping to conclusions right?

Ok. Maybe read my post above about cCochrane?

Research us hard and been able to read research involves being able to appraise it. You can’t just read the abstract and think it’s THE truth.

Re tte cochrane study
You should read that thread here
It’s from a researcher whose speciality is covid. She knows better than me what she is talking about.

Here in lreland a lot of elderly people died..not from Covid but from having to be locked down for so long. They lost their appetite for life as could go nowhere and they practically curled up and died. Some in their 90s who were active and involved and then..nothing. These are people l know so l imagine it must be multiplied across nations.
But doesn't explain the younger people.

The fact im not using the same sources than you doesn’t mean I’m wrong or stupid.

But you should be able to give me the source if it’s as easy as ‘watching the video’

How long until the conspiracy theorists pick something other than Covid to drone on about?!

The much discredited Trisha Greenhalgh, from indie SAGE?

Don't make me laugh, she's a hysterical, idealist, agenda driven joke. A champagne socialist who seems to have no understanding of life in the real world.

Takes one to know one

Thanks for this thread OP - it’ll probably be deleted, they usually are as you can’t question vaccines without being called a tin foil hat wearer - interestingly same as you’re not allowed to question the Trans issue - yet many don’t see the similarities between being told what to believe in instead of using your common sense!

Sweden has excess deaths in school age children unlike everywhere else which saw a reduction in deaths in that age group. They also have a big issue with type one diabetes in school age children.

the Cochran review caveated their finding with the data being poor quality and adherence to mask wearing being poor. Essentially if you don’t wear a mask it won’t work.

Thanks for your support.

Free speech has been censored throughout this whole debacle, including from the very top as the Missouri v. Biden court case in the US has shown.

Any science that did not agree with the chosen narrative was removed from social media, shadow banned, censored and the scientists smeared. This court case and the twitter files has bought it all out in the open but clearly some on here still believe all they are told by government and the mainstream media.

This court case shows just how naive they have been and still are in many cases.

The vaccine harms are clear to see to anyone who looks at the data. But there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Sweden has the lowest excess deaths in Europe from the last 3 years of data.

Stop clutching at straws, there is no data, poor or good, that shows that masks work to reduce transmission of Covid.

So as that increased further and further above 20% and excess deaths fell your correlation is…

Excess deaths have remained stubbornly high since 2021 onwards.

How can you be sure that it is not the vaccines when UKHSA refuse to release the 'death by vaccination status' data? Surely worth a proper look into with an open mind would you agree?

It would be easy to put this to bed if they did release the raw data, but they wont release it despite repeated requests for them to do so. Same in other countries too. Why not just release it if there is nothing to hide?

They might have been stubbornly high but they were still lower than in Jan 2021. And as more people and more people got vaccinated after jan 2021 positive correlation would generally involve the excess deaths increasing too.

Never mind correlation does not equal causation, you can’t even show correlation.

So you are ignoring the excess Covid deaths from the peak of the second wave?

Australia data is clear. Their trend in excess deaths started when they started their vaccination program since there was practically no Covid cases in Australia in 2020. Funnily enough, the vaccinations did not seem to protect the vulnerable from Covid death either since once Covid took hold, the deaths from Covid among the vaccinated were many.

meanwhile here in the UK, UKHSA data was starting to show that Covid was more prevalent in the vaccinated, so they stopped releasing this data.

Some vaccine eh?

Excess deaths cannot be blamed on the vaccines. There are too many unknowns. It is equally possible the deaths might be down to long covid, delayed operations or general worsening of the healthcare that the NHS is able to provide.

I think this.. less people catching serious conditions in good time.

Most people don't have to have the vaccine and they can take their chance with getting a full dose of Covid instead if they're worried about the safety of the vaccine (or don't think Covid is a real thing).

The NHS has fallen apart and many people are getting a terrible or almost no service. People don't have a choice about that.
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I know which of these issues I'm more worried about!^