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women are their own worse enemies on the maternity ward

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katz · 04/03/2008 08:44

ok a mail article but it is interesting here

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AdamAnt · 04/03/2008 09:46

Are you sure the argument is that mothers are their own worst enemies on the maternity ward? Seemed to me that there was a strong suggestion that those damned Africans and Eastern Europeans had a hand to play in the failings of the NHS.

And really, her cases in point were fairly ludicrous. The woman with high blood pressure having fry up breakfasts? Isn't it more likely that her high BP was a result of pregnancy itself? I doubt that foregoing her breakfast would have made much difference. Actually, I think being on a maternity ward with a DM journo would be a far more significant factor in rocketing BP

The blood-stained nightie in the shower cubicle? Well if it's a ward in which women usually only stay for a couple of nights, it's fairly likely the woman hadn't known where to dispose of it, and with the pitiful understaffing there was probably no one around to ask. Ultimately the responsibility of cleaning and tidying comes down to the hospital, not the patients.

And regarding the general antagonism between staff and patients, surely that is a result of patients needs and wishes being ignored and dismissed?

I 'refused' to be induced at the beginning of my labour (I was group B strep + and my waters had broken before contractions had started). I wanted to receive the ABs (as recommended) but wanted to be given some time for my labour to start naturally (which it did within a few hours).

I was hassled and harried throughout that labour to have drips, monitoring, augmentations etc etc when all I needed was a bit of time.

After my 22 hour labour I then had to beg and plead for something to eat, because I'd inconveniently given birth after the evening meal. All that was available to me was a frigging ham sandwich which I ate despite being vegetarian.

DH and I probably came across as pushy, demanding and awkward, but quite frankly we needed to be.

meemar · 04/03/2008 09:51

What lazy journalism. A few choice anecdotal examples to illustrate the fact that it's women's fault that maternity services are bad

kayzisbroody · 04/03/2008 10:00

It would help if the staff were remotely helpful or polite!
When I had my ds I had no food despite filling in the form for what I wanted to eat. They didnt save any food for me as they thought I'd still be in labour at lunch time!!
So dh ended up going to buy me food and then I got moaned at by the nurse for eating the food provided by them!

Boco · 04/03/2008 10:01

Eurgh. Vile.

Particularly impressed with the idea that women with infected scars are their own worse enemy and it's their own fault for eating manky take aways! Ha. Makes it sound like they and their scumbag relatives just sit rubbing chicken wings into themselves.

And the blood pressure things is just silly.

Peachy · 04/03/2008 10:06

What an article!

The woman with BP..... if it was pre-eclampsia, there is actually some research from Australia that suggest a high protein diet can assist with that!.

Ignoring 2 visitor rule- well I wouldn't ignore it tbh BUT if I were in for a while and Dh brought the kids, which one does he leave outside or am I supposed to supervise them alone? There's no babysitter near us who could take them to allow him to visit unaccompanied.

Of course on a six week stay you're going to see examples of supremely bizarre patient behaviour. There will always be some poeple in any environment, esp. an antenatal ward where stress levels are high. But to blame women for all the failures on the maternity units?

FioFio · 04/03/2008 10:06

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AdamAnt · 04/03/2008 10:07

Boco - LOLOL at rubbing chicken wings

Peachy · 04/03/2008 10:08

Kayz- agree about the food, one reason for this one being hopefully a homebirth is that they couldnt provide a diry free diet for me after ds1 was born so I had to go without food. This time round I am dairy and gluten free- there's be no chance!!!

AlistairSim · 04/03/2008 10:08

A delightful bit of scaremongering.

When will those pesky women realise that everything is their fault?

JeremyVile · 04/03/2008 10:10

Gosh, women really are shit, aren't threy?

southeastastra · 04/03/2008 10:11

i was in for a long time with placenta previa too like the writer, i could write some things, think anyone who stays in hospital for a long time can witness things that would make shocking reading for others.

Pruners · 04/03/2008 10:12

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sillyquestion · 04/03/2008 10:14

I too have seen selfishness from visitors (not mine) and experienced it to the point of tears.

Peachy · 04/03/2008 10:15

Nah you don't need to kill them all

Just sterilise (at home obviously- saves beds) those who don't worship the cult of the Hospital Doctrine

Esp. those godawfaul middle class ones

SheherazadetheGoat · 04/03/2008 10:17

rofl pruners.

i particularily liked 'The infant took up a cot in the special baby care unit. ' they should be been turfed into the street for daring to eat saturated fat!

bring back dr. kildare kindly smoking at the bedside while woman are heavily sedated and in stirrups.

i also liked the reference to 'heavy eastern european accent'. daily rant at its best.

QuintessentialShadow · 04/03/2008 10:18

It sounds abit like my stay at Chelsea and Westminster 5 years ago, I wonder if the journalist ever by any chance read my birthstory and review of that hospital at another forum....

Peachy · 04/03/2008 10:18

Ah yes I liked that cot comment- selfish, selfish newborn! How dare they!

nickytwotimes · 04/03/2008 10:18

Ah, yes, the Mail, home of well researched, non-reactionary journalism. Lol at Dr Kildare!

pruners · 04/03/2008 10:19

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S1ur · 04/03/2008 10:19

Mean-spirited article.

Citing women as blame-worthy for; high levels of infection, pre-eclampsia, under-staffing, putting newborns at risk because they don't want medical intervention, oh and not cleaning the hospitals themselves.

Nasty journo, and wrong.

Its a shame that she decided to attack women instead of the lack funding and cutting of midwifery services.

I hope this thread doesn't turn into a NHS bashing as a defence to women. It needn't, bit of solidarity with our healthcare workers would be good.

madamez · 04/03/2008 10:21

Well it would be astonishing if there weren't some bad behaviour, occasionally, by patients in a hospital. Some people just are ignorant and selfish and stroppy with it. Then again, a percentage of doctors and nurses are rude, arrogant and bullying as well. Yet another journo-who'se-the-only-person-ever-to-have-a-baby waste of paper, really.

blueshoes · 04/03/2008 10:22

Daily Mail, yawn

BoysAreLikeDogs · 04/03/2008 10:24

And fancy a pregnanat woman snoring. How rude.

dizzydixies · 04/03/2008 10:25

wasn't written by someone called Olivia was it?!?!

Boco · 04/03/2008 10:25

At least the article was fair. All types of women are to blame. She didn't just pick on the scumbag working class smoking macdonalds munchers or the pain in the arse 'i know best' middle class witches, or the eastern european bed squatters or the African go along with what your misogynist husband wants...oh no

ALL THE WOMEN ARE SHIT, ALL OF THEM, AND THEY ALL DESERVE WHAT'S COMING AT EM!