Andrew tate

[Thomasina79]

I watched a BBC interview just now and what a vile, horrible man he cam across as. I admired the interviewer who kept to her points.

the really worrying thing is how many young teenage boys who follow and admire him and agree with his views.

After 72 years of being female there are a few things about men I've never understood.

On the one hand, men would have women believe that they are stronger and braver than us, masters of the universe, the ones who can protect us.

On the other hand, they cannot be held accountable if they fail to control even themselves (let alone the universe) when their sex drive kicks in. And even the sight of of a woman's hair can do that to the poor little souls.

The two things are not compatible. And Tate is typical of this. His positions appear illogical at best, ill thought out at worst. And are vile, either way.

My son watches Andrew Tate and delights in showing me some of his videos.

Unfortunately some of what he says actually seems quite useful for my son, especially as it was only a few months ago following a lesson at school he came home in tears because they were being taught about boys being 'toxic' and 'dangerous' and he didn't want to be toxic. He's always been quite an anxious child

Since watching Tate he has been a lot more confident, he has been doing more chores, and not letting little things upset him as much. From the videos he has shown me Tate teaches about discipline, hard work, picking your self up when you get knocked down, responsibility, self improvement, and not blaming the world for your problems, and that you should 'protect and provide' for your family (which is a bit old fashioned I know but nice to hear from my son if honest) who was very anxious and used to play a lot of videogames in his room and now seems to have a much fuller life.

He showed me the BBC interview, then showed me the FULL unedited interview which Tate had filmed while the BBC questioned him. The two were COMPLETELY different which I found interesting.also interesting the BBC have now taken their edited version down

I do worry that tates teachings do come with a side of mysogyny like the news says, but it's not what I've seen in my son at least.

Aren't you embarrassed writing this post?

If you are a parent to a son (and I question that) Aren't you embarrassed that your parental skills are so lacking, that your son had to turn to some Internet dickhead to learn discipline, hard work, picking your self up when you get knocked down, responsibility, self improvement blah blah blah.

I mean, personally, I wouldn't be boasting about this on the Internet.

It's just me and I work two jobs, I do the best I can, didn't think I would be judged for that. He feels loved and he feels protected and I try and guide him the best I can, but it's obvious he often yearns for a father figure

And Andrew Tate is the best "father figure" he and you could come up with?

Really?
I'm not buying what your trying to sell.

Yep. I think quite a few parents will not have had him cross their radar while meanwhile his insidious shit is creeping into children / teens social media and YouTube.

I agree.

His dad is ex CIA.

He's there to appeal to and reinforce a narrative.
He's an actor/manipulator playing a part, as are most media figures.

Ignore him and he will fade in to obscurity; and then he will be replaced by the next provocateur.

Oh, the imaginary women defense. I hope the allegations of multiple women accusing him of rape and the trafficking allegations are ‘imaginary’ rather than that number of awful offenses having occurred.

He must be incredibly unlucky to have that happen to him. I hope the imaginary women are ok too given what they’d have gone through and why they might not have succeeded with their imaginary claims. It’s incredibly hard to bring rape claims, especially in circumstances like these so it’s a great relief that the women who did so don’t exist.

An appalling man in a tiny elastic jacket

He sure "looked after" those trafficked women in Romania really well. Sounds like they felt very safe and protected. 🙄

If youve finished calling me a bad parent.. if you could suggest some other positive masculine male role models I could try and point him towards instead that don't have the misogynist egomaniac vibes that Tate has that would be great.

What a load of rubbish. I don't need a man to be my protector. Do you still think we are living in caveman times?

I need my husband to be kind, calm, pulling his weight with chores, actively spending time playing with and looking after our children, and being there emotionally.

What makes these incels really furious is that - shockingly - some women have the temerity to decide they don't need a man at all. They find it completely unfathomable.

This is exactly it! There is a such an over repeated message against men and masculinity at the moment, so I imagine a lot of boys feel quite fed up and lost, which is why we have all those incels which is my nightmare for my son. My son got really upset and obsessed with the idea that he was 'toxic' just because he was a boy. Then this Tate comes along and they all jump on it cos it's not a message they are used to hearing, one that says masculinity can actually be a good thing if channeled properly. Unfortunately they are taking the bad with the good, there is a lot of actual toxicity with tate. But I have been racking my brain trying to think of other positive masculine male role models to point him towards instead of Tate, but really who is there?

Genuine question. Please someone suggest someone!!

I mean yes and no. Men are big and scary and violent. If one broke into my house, I'd like a big man next to me to send downstairs! I am 5'4"

Schools teaching about toxic masculinity - what Tate is encouraging - and that it is harmful is not them telling your son that boys/ men are toxic. If that is what he has understood then you need to speak to the school about this and talk to your son too and explain that this isn't the case. Nobody "hates men", nobody is saying "men are toxic". What is toxic is behaviour that lots of men exhibit. It is your job to raise your son with self-esteem and good values and not to be misogynist and violent and toxic. Then nobody will think he is toxic, because he won't be. How you think Andrew Tate of all people could help you with this is beyond me.

And "masculinity" doesn't need to involve toxic ideas about women being inferior and needing "protection". FFS.

The part of this scenario that is toxic masculinity and needs changing is the burglar breaking into the house.

The solution is not that women must have a man in the house and put up with being infantilised like they are incapable of living alone because they need one man who treats them like a child to protect them from another man who might break into their house. 🙄🙄🙄

How about men just stop doing shitty fucking things and behave like normal humans, and we raise our sons to do that?

Why the FUCK are they still giving this prick air time. I hate his guts for all the right reasons and I've been quite happy not giving him a single thought in weeks! Let the likes of him be forgotten, exactly as they deserve.

And every interviewer should know that he'll put words in their mouths, attempt to minimize, mock, make light of, divert, deny or outright lie.

Again. It's not worth it to give him the opportunity to do more of the same. It'll only piss the normal people off and there'll still be idiots on here saying that he's 'debunking things eloquently'..

He needs to shut his mouth already. The world will be a better place, quicker.

It does speak to what a loser he is that the only way he could get "a girlfriend" was to traffick and forcibly imprison people (allegedly, so imaginary people have claimed...) because he's so vile that no woman would ever willingly be in the same room as him. 😆😆

Well I agree that a utopia with no violence, no drug addicts, no knife crime, no desperation, no violence or criminality would be nice. Sadly that is not a world we live in and will not any time soon. I don't think that a man breaking into my house has anything to do with what his mother taught him about masculinity lol

I just want my son to have a male role model that doesn't make him feel like he's a bad person just because of his gender and because he behaves gender typical, which is very much what he is being taught in schools because he is 11 and doesn't really understand nuance..he just hears "man=bad".

I'm am still trying to find a positive masculine male role model he can try and be like, because undoubtedly Tate is a shit bag and a god complex. I hope I have taught my son enough respect for me and women to ignore the bile and that Tate talks and just take the good stuff. My social media is full of #bossbitch which is great for female empowerment I guess and positive messages for women but where are the positive messages for men and boys other than the whole 'itanok for boys to cry' stuff.

Honestly please name someone I can point him towards instead of tate.

I thought about sending him to scouts or maybe some kind karate or something but like....someone in public eye would be good. The only person he has liked before was one of these loser YouTube gamer guys

There aren’t any positive male role models. You know that as well as I do. Young men are lost.

Well thats the problem, isn't it?

You really can't think of any positive masculine male role models? Out of the whole wide world nobody springs to mind?

You know Andrew Tate is a misogynist ego maniac, yet you are happy your son watches and is "delighted" with his videos.

Do you not have any male figures in your family that you can point to @Letshearitfor?

Exactly!!! It's no wonder these boys turn to tate. Where did all the good masculine male role models go? That can help them channel there masculinity into something that good for them, their loved ones and their community!