Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 7

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The chat appears to have gone quiet today after the last thread filled up, so I'm making a new one for anyone who wants to come together whilst we all hold our breath hoping for a good outcome.

This was floating about early in the investigation, I'm sure they've looked into it. the media are running with anything and everything because they know there's such interest in the case, even if its detrimental to the work the police are doing. Sad really.

I’m sorry, but you don’t have to be an expert in forensics to realise that they police have handled this appallingly. They have come out with many statements that directly contradict each other. If they are working tirelessly behind the scenes, on all theories, then there is simply no excuse for the whole area not being cordoned off and protected as a possible crime scene. Forensics on one bench is hardly satisfactory. If they are sure she went into the water and they want to stop people speculating and travelling to the area, then release the evidence. Her family don’t seem to agree. If a crime has been committed, and I really have no opinion either way, then it will have been a monumental fuck up in terms of preserving evidence.

So maybe she knew there was no CCTV?
There is a remote possibility that she left of her own will. Surely this far on, when other possibilities have been ruled out this could be the only explanation?
Although really tough for most of us to understand, women do leave their loved ones/dogs/friends to start a life elsewhere.

I'm thinking out loud here and, I haven't posted on any of the previous boards.

Could she have just gone off? Organised it to look like she's missing / abducted.
Many people just take themselves off because they're in some turmoil or what not.

I'm guessing the police can check all health records etc?

Either way, I hope she's found in whatever capacity that may be.

A Teams meeting without camera on and on mute you can listen to anywhere.

They can't cordon off the entire area when there is nothing to suggest criminal activity. They have said they did take forensics on the bench on the first day- something so open to the elements with a tonne of DNA etc on it isn't going to overly fruitful anyway after the immediate aftermath. I haven't seen any conflicting statements, things have changed and been updated as its gone on which is to be expected as things like timings are cross referenced with additional data and witness statements scrutinised etc- do you have any examples? And no, the public and even the family if its in NBs interest aren't entitled to evidence to stop them being ridiculous and carrying out criminal acts. The person important in this is Nicola, not the curiosity of strangers. They have procedures, standards and policies to follow, I for one am thankful they don't have the power to escalate things to give them much greater power on a whim.

Same here, not posted on this subject before but surely after two weeks and no other evidence this scenario is becoming more likely?

Do you have a link to where it was floated about please?
I hadn't heard of it

It would be tricky but it's possible she went on her own accord, some people do return though usually within a month, the ridiculous level of media attention etc though would probably make this trickier for her. Some also never intend to return, if people had an interest in drawing excessive attention to it making it near on impossible for her to start a new life that would be...yeah that's all I'll say. Although people can get support from the authorities to start afresh without going to these lengths lots don't know how to or for what ever reason feel its hopeless.

I think someone wanted it to look like drowning and didn’t expect Faulder and his sonar to be brought it.

Whether it was Nicola herself or someone else, who knows. It would have taken a fair amount of planning though, in my opinion.

It is virtually impossible to disappear without a trace of your own accord.

yes, maybe for a week or two if you had help to do so, but after that it becomes impossible. If you disappear then you have to cease to function in society. You couldn’t get a job, couldn’t take out a mobile phone contract, so much of your life is tied to your identity that it’s just not possible to function without taking on a new identity, and for that you would have to commit the crime of identity fraud.

Exactly, you’d have to have a monumental reason to put yourself in that situation, let alone putting your DC through the trauma. Seems unlikely to me.

In years gone by people could disappear, when you could just e.g. walk into the local shop/restaurant of the place you had moved to and get a job on sight, and you were given a pay packet etc.

But now in order to get a job you have to prove your identity, to have a bank account you have to prove your identity, everything these days is done so electronically that it just isn’t possible.

And presumably if someone disappeared like this and sparked such a huge investigation, if they were found they would be charged with wasting police time.

6 weeks ago a couple with a newborn ‘vanished.’ Still not been found.
Thousands of people go missing every year in the UK. Most never found.

I personally think a 3rd party is involved and sincerely hope she is found alive 🙏

But now in order to get a job you have to prove your identity, to have a bank account you have to prove your identity, everything these days is done so electronically that it just isn’t possible.

Whilst I certainly agree that disappearing now is a million times harder the above isn't true. There are still plenty of jobs available where no questions are asked and payment is in cash, also possible to get accommodation like this. I don't believe this is what NB has done though.

This is thought provoking.

I just don't understand how a fall into the river by a fit young woman leads to drowning. How deep is it next the riverbank?

I find it strange the sniffer dogs picked up no trace of her on the first day. If she’d been escorted out of the field surely there’d be some decent trail?

I saw that. If it's true, then there's no evidence that she didn't leave by her usual route along that path. She might have been apprehended there and dropped the phone and harness in the process then later somebody found them and placed them on the nearby bench. With Nicola missing, the dog recognised the smell of the items and stayed near them. Why did the dog not bark or attack the assailant? All we know is that the dog was familiar and comfortable with interacting with people on the walk so maybe it didn't get upset by this encounter. Alternatively, if the attacker was known to them then the dog might not react like she was in danger.

Indeed, i also don't think she left of her own accord and whilst it's tricky its not impossible. In her line of work she would have had access to people's ID as well...with the amount of attention this case has recieved though it would now make it really bloody difficult. Most missing persons barely get a mention in the local paper so probably didn't consider such an escalation.

The water was shallow and rocky at the side, about 4m deep in the middle but slow moving.

Were they definitely brought in the first day?
I've not really read much about the dogs.

It's also the act of falling. I get that drowning is often silent but if I fell I would shout/scream (I slipped down some stairs recently and automatically shouted) Would the person that found the phone have heard this? 5 minutes away can be a very short distance when walking with a dog that is sniffing etc.

I understand what you're saying but, on the flip side she could have 'gone to ground' or had another person help her to leave.

I think If she had fallen into the river something would have been found.. a hair clip, shoe, necklace, glove. I suppose that's the case If she'd been abducted too.

From what I've read ( which actually isn't much ) it all sounds a little 'staged'.

The dog is the curious bit for me, but then again in the sledge video shown on the documentary she jumps on it and starts going down the hill and willow pays zero attention to that, she (?) is distracted by Paul and the tennis ball. I don't think it's a given that it would follow her, they often stay where scent is strongest too.