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Whether to smack or not

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Awenamanger · 01/12/2004 15:46

Hi, was just interested in your opinions on this subject. I read a piece in a book which may be interesting for debate. Please dont lynch me btw

'Myths that surround the use of spanking:

myth: Spanking is harmless.
fact: sspanking makes parenting more difficult because is reduces parents' ability to influene their children, especially when the children are teens and too big to be controlled by phsyical force. Also, authority figures should be trusted and respected, not feared.

myth: I was spanked, and i'm ok
Fact: You made it despite being hit; hitting increases the probability that you are more likely to use agression to handle conflicts

myth: if you dont spank, your children will be spoiled or run wild.
fact: nonspanked children are better behaved than are children of parents who spank. non-spanking parents tend to pay more attention to thier children's behaviour and tend to do more explaining and reasoning, which helps children to develop internal controls.

myth: Prents spank rarely or only for serious problems
fact: Parents who spank tend to use this method for almost any misbehaviour; many do not even give the child a warning - they spank before even trying other things.

myth: It is unrealistic to expect parents to never spank
fact: It is no more unrealistic to expect parents to not hit a child than to expect husbands not to hit their wifes or employers not to hit their employees.'

Source: Fontaine & Fletcher, Mental Health Nursing 5th Edition, 2003, Prentice Hall Press. Adapted from Straus M A (1994) Beating the devil out of them: Corporal punishment in American families, Lexington, MA, Lexington Books

I dont know if I am unusual but I do not smack my ds.

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hunny · 06/12/2004 12:35

hello Awenamanger - glad to see you back on this thread. I just want to say how immensely helpful and thought provoking I've found this topic, not least because every post, whether for or against, has been so clear and measured. It's made me really stop and think about my own position on this. I am also a lapsed anti-smacker (what is a smack? In my case a tap on the hand). After reading this thread I no longer feel a complete failure for having lapsed (we are all human after all) but I'm also feeling more confident about ways of not smacking. I can't say that I'll never smack my kids but I'm much clearer in my mind now how to avoid it.

Good luck with your assignment btw - I remember only too well that impending deadline feeling!

Awenamanger · 06/12/2004 12:54

Aloha - I wish i could believe that i wouldnt lose him. As I said I have been left feeling so uncertain. IT is also hard cos xp flits between giving ds lots more time with me to 'going back to strict every toerh' as he thinks too much contact with me is unsettling for ds. What he means by unsettling is ds saying he wants to be with me and not go home. e.g. ds clinging onto me saying walk away mummy, walk away with me now. This is at xp's door infront of him. I cant imagine how hard it was for xp hearing ds say that (and ds continued on this thread for about 2 months) but xp should understand that it is a childs instinct to be with mummy.

Hunny - thank you and I am glad this helped.

THis wasnt set to be a harsh right or wrong debate cos as u said we are all human, but it is a difficult area i think,

Jabberwocky :) It is bad enough that our hair falls out after having baby, let alone getting pnd (which sucks), but then having it physically pulled out might test you a little Wink good for you though for using time out.. i still find the hardest part is not to laugh at their outbursts..

OH and little note re embarrassing moments..

yesterday took ds to dp xmas childrens party at the panto. ds announced very loudly that mummy was too poor for christmas.. I wanted the floor to open up and swallow me! The reason he said this is because he is continually asking for every toy he sees... i said i cant afford to buy him all the toys he wants.. lol

Am going ot go get beautfil for nativity.. lol well i can try Wink

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peskykids · 07/12/2004 13:33

Glad you're well awanemanger - you've a lot on your plate. Don't forget that you're actually helping xp by 'babysitting' - I know it's a pleasure for you but don't ever let him make you think he's doing you a favour by 'allowing' you to have your son at HIS convenience. That's not what it's about. Really, cat me if you want my solictors details - he's in Croydon, I'm in Coventry - but I spent 45 minutes on the phone to him on my first contact (completely cold - number pulled off website) and this was at 4.45 on a Friday evening. What a nice chap!

Sometimes all you need is a different perspective.. (oh and the cash to pay 'em but hey... Smile

Awenamanger · 07/12/2004 15:12

Peskey.. re the cash for solicitors .. i should get legal aid Wink

I do know i am helping him out but after all thats happened and how he manipulated people I am wary. You are right though cos I am having ds for 2 weeks in feb - term time to help xp out as he is away for work. If he thinks that counts as holiday time he is wrong.

Sheesh.. just thinking about xp.. Xp who thinks he is a wolf and tells ds of 4 that before daddy was daddy he was an american indian boy who got shot by an arrow. Oh and he also lets ds pull trigger on his air rifle to shoot toys. Oh and sit on his lap and look at knifes.

Tbh xp is on such an ego trip he basically wants ds to be a little him, whereas all i want is ds to be ds .

Well essay is now completed, off to hand it in and back on nights on my placement for next 3 so going ot be knackered.

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aloha · 08/12/2004 19:19

There is a Mumsnetter called Twinkie who got residence of her dd back from her horrible ex despite all her family turning on her (nasty, nasty lot). she's recently had her second baby so isn't around much, but I wonder if she saw this if she might not be able to give you some advice and support. She knows better than most how you feel and what you are going through.

Awenamanger · 09/12/2004 09:06

Aloha - I would be really interesting in chatting to her about this. btw, thanks lots. I have really really appreciated your supportive comments x

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peskykids · 09/12/2004 13:27

Have you heard this morning's news about a father banned from seeing his child for 6 months after a policeman saw him smacking the child?

That's why you must record every time ds says anything, or anyone else, and specially if anyone sees anything.

Doesn't it just open up all those arguments (on another thread currently) about levels of 'smacking'.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4080293.stm

Awenamanger · 10/12/2004 04:23

Thanks for link pk. JUst left night shift and got home for a couple of hours kip as ds poorly and xp is bringing him over in morning. I am not comlaining, but this is an example that xp has work today and socialising on Sat so I get to look after ds. THe xp said he would let him stay Sunday too but doesnt want to mess childminder about! excuse me?? I mean ffs I am ds mum and should have to work around a childminder. Sorry ot all childminders out there but his attitude stinks in terms of respect 4 me. He cal me on landline thurs morning and it wasnt picked up cos i was travelling home from hosp.. when he did get in contact he was like.. why didnt you pick up phone etc..

Xp did say he could take ds to work with him and ds can sit in van while he works!! I mean ds is poorly.. poorly enough to be off school (who i had to remid him to call!) And he would think about doing somthing like that. The man is an utter prat.

Yes I will write this down. Tell youwhat tho, if ds has temp and poorly still on sunday he is not going into school & i know for a fact childminder wont have him cos of the other kids. Wonder what words of wisdom will come out of xp's mouth?

OH i feel nasty for bitching about him. I really should set up a new thread! lol.. Maybe titled 'lets bitch about our ex's... think it would get pretty full Wink

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