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If Putin does detonate a nuclear bomb ...

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maranella · 07/10/2022 15:52

... what do you think the West will do?

Biden seems to be taking the threat very seriously and the Ukraine govt has handed out iodine tablets to it's citizens, so they seem to be taking it seriously too.

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Ylvamoon · 08/10/2022 12:18

Firstly, the thing will drop on my head- I don't want to be alive in a post nuclear war world. (Read too much about Hiroshima and Nagasaki)

Secondly I think if he does something, it will be on a smallish scale as a warning.

Probably in an area near a nuclear power station...

Thirdly America will give a shit, as it will be western Europe (Geographically) that will be erased first.

Foth for a little bit of hope, the link below gives you a bit of understanding for past nuclear threats ...
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0019455

And lastly, Putin may just not be as popular in Russia as he likes to think- maybe his days are up before he does anything.

1dayatatime · 08/10/2022 12:56

@vera99

"They send cosmonauts into space and run atomic power stations without issue and have the scientific competency and resources to maintain such infrastructure. Their arsenal is probably not what it was but will have enough firepower to cause unbelievable misery if ever unleashed. The question is do we really want to test the theory that it is unworkable?"

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Exactly - it would only need a small proportion of Russia's nuclear arsenal to work to effectively wipe out Europe.

I'd personally rather not test out the theory that Russia's nuclear arsenal doesn't work.

Sharming · 09/10/2022 11:41

I think the most likely scenario is he'll use a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine, and NATO will retaliate with conventional weapons by flattening the Kremlin and taking out his military bases.

Either that, or someone in his inner circle will bump him off before he does anything.

I don't think we need to get hysterical and stock up on iodine tablets. It won't affect us in the UK - but I'm desperately sad and worried for the people of Ukraine who really are being given iodine tablets and told to prepare for the worst.

Dontaskdontget · 15/11/2022 22:32

FishOut · 08/10/2022 09:40

Should I be buying iodine tablets? <anxious and don’t want to google as scared of results>

Not if you are over 40.

DomesticShortHair · 15/11/2022 22:39

I don’t know about the west, but if there’s any survivors from Mumsnet who make it through nuclear Armageddon, they’ll blame it on Brexit, I suspect.

oakleaffy · 15/11/2022 22:45

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 07/10/2022 20:24

The potassium iodide tablets cram as much iodine into your thyroid as possible, so that radioactive Iodine 131 (produced when uranium & plutonium atoms spilt & happens in a bomb or nuclear power plant during everyday operation) can’t be absorbed by your thyroid. Thyroids absorb iodine like a sponge. If it’s stuffed with potassium iodide, there’s no room left for the iodine 131!

Radioactive iodine (sometimes called RAI or iodine 131) is very useful in treating thyroid cancers or hyperthyroidism, as a large single dose can destroy the thyroid.

But, remember, you should only take potassium iodide (KI) tablets how & when you’re instructed by a medical professional or emergency response team. It isn’t recommended for everyone, I think the CDC in the US only recommend it for people under 40 & women who are breastfeeding, and some people who are sensitive to iodine may become seriously ill. And ingestion must be within 24hrs of the nuclear event.

Also, supplements which claim to be KI from sources that aren’t reputable may contain other things that, like any medication bought without being regulated, could do more harm than good.

Another thing (whilst I’m having a bit of a Friday night waffle 😂) is that KI tablets only protect your thyroid from Iodine 131, they do not protect you from other radioactive isotopes that would be created in a nuclear or thermonuclear explosion. It’s definitely not a case of ‘pop your KI pill & you’re invulnerable to radioactive fallout’. When atoms are split, there’s a whole host of nasties produced.

Atoms don’t split into equal halves when hit by a neutron, think of it more like a nuclear minestrone made up of many different radioactive ingredients as their plutonium atoms have been ‘chopped’ into different sized chunks. Some have half lives (the time it takes for an isotope to decay by half) that are very energetic & decay within seconds, I-131 has a half life of 7 days, other elements like caesium-137 have a half life of about 30 years.

So your iodide pill isn’t a universal panacea to become invincible if it all goes Pete Tong.

I’m not a nuclear physicist (I’ve just had an interest in atomic ephemera, the Cold War & nuclear science since I studied it in A level Physics when dinosaurs still roamed the earth). I’ve read many papers & books about the effect of a nuclear attack on a population (Like the UK’s Operation Square Leg in the 80s as an example) and… I just hope I’d be directly under the bugger if it ever happens.

I’m not frightened; this might just be because I’m getting older & more sanguine, I’m just very sad that we seem to be at this point in history. The world is a beautiful place, I hope those in power step back from the brink.

Even if small battlefield nukes are used, there is a chance we could pause & not escalate to an all out attack across many nations. Just a ‘small’ sub 100 kiloton device would be devastating. Radioactive fallout has no regard for borders on a map, and Putin would put his own people in danger. I think he doesn’t see his own population as people, more pawns on a chess game he’s currently losing. He’s is utterly mad.

I pray those close to him will take him out. That’s an awful thing to think, but I’m convinced Putin is a psychopath with no empathy for anyone, with a sole focus on his own glory. Crap analogy, but right now he’s like a trapped rat, being pinned further & further into a corner with Ukrainian gains in the east.

Do we step back & let the rat escape, or shoot it to get rid of the problem before he attacks us all?

Great post.
I remember mum saying in the 1980’s that the lucky ones would be killed at the epicentre.
Threads was horrific and incredibly “ Believable “
The poor cat who died did for FIL, a great cat lover- He had to leave the room.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/11/2022 22:53

I'm amazed MN has allowed this thread to stand.

Talk about alarmist. I hope no one with mental health issues is reading it.

bostonchamps · 15/11/2022 22:55

DomesticShortHair · 15/11/2022 22:39

I don’t know about the west, but if there’s any survivors from Mumsnet who make it through nuclear Armageddon, they’ll blame it on Brexit, I suspect.

Well now you mention it...

oakleaffy · 15/11/2022 22:59

bostonchamps · 15/11/2022 22:55

Well now you mention it...

Cockroaches they reckoned would be the only survivors, but oddly, Chernobyl (Pripyat )has lots of wildlife and nature is reclaiming it again.

BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101 · 15/11/2022 23:05

DomesticShortHair · 15/11/2022 22:39

I don’t know about the west, but if there’s any survivors from Mumsnet who make it through nuclear Armageddon, they’ll blame it on Brexit, I suspect.

Hahahaha Grin

Whammyyammy · 16/12/2022 19:16

DomesticShortHair · 15/11/2022 22:39

I don’t know about the west, but if there’s any survivors from Mumsnet who make it through nuclear Armageddon, they’ll blame it on Brexit, I suspect.

Brexit or Tory voters

AutumnCrow · 16/12/2022 19:21

That's in incredibly poor taste.

EngTech · 16/12/2022 19:28

Throwing buckets of sunshine around means no one wins

As someone up thread mentioned, Russian would get the fall out in a day or two

Putin would be ok but his people not so but Putin would blame the West

My guess is that China is having a discrete word to Russia as they know what will happen if a bucket of sunshine is deployed on Ukraine 😳

Madness, sheer madness if it happened

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