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If Putin does detonate a nuclear bomb ...

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maranella · 07/10/2022 15:52

... what do you think the West will do?

Biden seems to be taking the threat very seriously and the Ukraine govt has handed out iodine tablets to it's citizens, so they seem to be taking it seriously too.

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AutumnalCosyness · 07/10/2022 19:27

Where do we get iodine tablets. And what do they do?

dropthevipers · 07/10/2022 19:28

It's easy to forget how much kit the USA has. The top three air forces in the world are the USAF, followed by the airborne wing of the US navy followed by the airborne wing of the US army. The first tactical nuke putin deploys will lead instantly to anything with a Russian flag on it being taken out with conventional weapons.

alwaysmovingforwards · 07/10/2022 19:29

Babdoc · 07/10/2022 15:58

Russia is next door to Ukraine and the prevailing wind would blow the fallout straight towards Russia, so Putin certainly isn’t going to launch anything major. A small tactical battlefield nuke possibly.

Personal view is that if putin does anything nuclear, even tactical, the west will smash Russia back into middle ages.

And we'd all better be indoors when it happens.

WonderingWanda · 07/10/2022 19:35

This article suggests a very strong non nuclear response wiping out Russian ground forces.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/28/ukraine-nato-russia-nuclear-weapons-devastating-poland-foreign-minister

WonderingWanda · 07/10/2022 19:36

AutumnalCosyness · 07/10/2022 19:27

Where do we get iodine tablets. And what do they do?

It blocks the radiation getting to your Thyroid gland I think. I remember watching something that said it was largely useless in the wake of the radiation from Chernobyl.

Yack02 · 07/10/2022 19:43

I'm getting myself so worked up about this....

Really need to stop reading things but can't help myself Confused

Anyone care to talk some sense into me?

AtomicBlondeRose · 07/10/2022 19:45

The best “worst case scenario” is that Russia uses a tactical nuke and there’s just a conventional response. One battlefield nuke wouldn’t have a massive effect on the rest of Europe/the world - obviously it’s not what you want to happen but it’s not going to be devastating. Russia quite possibly doesn’t have enough actual functioning weapons, let alone the manpower/training/willing people to actually participate in a full-scale nuclear war.

FrozenGhost · 07/10/2022 19:47

AutumnalCosyness · 07/10/2022 19:27

Where do we get iodine tablets. And what do they do?

Don't worry too much about this. The iodine tablets are taken up by your thyroid and so it doesn't take up as much radioactive iodine. So it reduces future risk of thyroid cancer. However if there is a nuclear war, thyroid cancer in a few decades time is the absolute last thing you have to worry about.

Zuve · 07/10/2022 19:50

First he has signed his own death warrant. Second Russians will turn against him. Then third after that there will be peace. Its funny really, the Russian revolution was a hundred years ago. All gone now

DenholmElliot1 · 07/10/2022 19:55

I think the west will further sanction Putin if he did that.

However I agree with a PP - i'm not actually convinced that it would work either, looking at the state of his ordinary weaponry.

Misspacorabanne · 07/10/2022 19:59

@Yack02 me too! I do have anxiety and try to keep off these threads, but here I am... I hate the uncertainty of it all.... It's terrifying. So I'm sorry, I can't help reassure you but there's alot of people feeling the way we do at the moment. I'm trying to limit news, and social media, and it helps massively, but because it's all over the news again at the moment, it pulls me back in. I know worrying won't change the outcome, but it's hard not to worry.

Livelovebehappy · 07/10/2022 20:04

I was wondering why he hasn’t been assassinated. There would be people in the the secret services in most countries who would have the capability to do that. Because no-one has, I’m thinking he may have made world leaders aware that his government have been instructed to press the nuclear button should he be taken out. That would then protect him from the West doing anything to him.

Yack02 · 07/10/2022 20:05

Misspacorabanne · 07/10/2022 19:59

@Yack02 me too! I do have anxiety and try to keep off these threads, but here I am... I hate the uncertainty of it all.... It's terrifying. So I'm sorry, I can't help reassure you but there's alot of people feeling the way we do at the moment. I'm trying to limit news, and social media, and it helps massively, but because it's all over the news again at the moment, it pulls me back in. I know worrying won't change the outcome, but it's hard not to worry.

It's hard isn't it? I'm really trying to think rationally, but Biden's little declaration about nuclear Armageddon hasn't really helped....
Although Truss seems to be saying very little of late which is interesting!

Lansonmaid · 07/10/2022 20:07

WonderingWanda · 07/10/2022 19:36

It blocks the radiation getting to your Thyroid gland I think. I remember watching something that said it was largely useless in the wake of the radiation from Chernobyl.

The iodine in the tablets is taken up by the thryroid gland and doesn't leave any space for the radioactive iodine from the fallout to be taken up. It would have been effective at preventing thyroid cancer after Chernobyl had tablets been distributed. The emergency response following that accident was terrible, due to the secrecy culture prevailing at the time.

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 07/10/2022 20:24

The potassium iodide tablets cram as much iodine into your thyroid as possible, so that radioactive Iodine 131 (produced when uranium & plutonium atoms spilt & happens in a bomb or nuclear power plant during everyday operation) can’t be absorbed by your thyroid. Thyroids absorb iodine like a sponge. If it’s stuffed with potassium iodide, there’s no room left for the iodine 131!

Radioactive iodine (sometimes called RAI or iodine 131) is very useful in treating thyroid cancers or hyperthyroidism, as a large single dose can destroy the thyroid.

But, remember, you should only take potassium iodide (KI) tablets how & when you’re instructed by a medical professional or emergency response team. It isn’t recommended for everyone, I think the CDC in the US only recommend it for people under 40 & women who are breastfeeding, and some people who are sensitive to iodine may become seriously ill. And ingestion must be within 24hrs of the nuclear event.

Also, supplements which claim to be KI from sources that aren’t reputable may contain other things that, like any medication bought without being regulated, could do more harm than good.

Another thing (whilst I’m having a bit of a Friday night waffle 😂) is that KI tablets only protect your thyroid from Iodine 131, they do not protect you from other radioactive isotopes that would be created in a nuclear or thermonuclear explosion. It’s definitely not a case of ‘pop your KI pill & you’re invulnerable to radioactive fallout’. When atoms are split, there’s a whole host of nasties produced.

Atoms don’t split into equal halves when hit by a neutron, think of it more like a nuclear minestrone made up of many different radioactive ingredients as their plutonium atoms have been ‘chopped’ into different sized chunks. Some have half lives (the time it takes for an isotope to decay by half) that are very energetic & decay within seconds, I-131 has a half life of 7 days, other elements like caesium-137 have a half life of about 30 years.

So your iodide pill isn’t a universal panacea to become invincible if it all goes Pete Tong.

I’m not a nuclear physicist (I’ve just had an interest in atomic ephemera, the Cold War & nuclear science since I studied it in A level Physics when dinosaurs still roamed the earth). I’ve read many papers & books about the effect of a nuclear attack on a population (Like the UK’s Operation Square Leg in the 80s as an example) and… I just hope I’d be directly under the bugger if it ever happens.

I’m not frightened; this might just be because I’m getting older & more sanguine, I’m just very sad that we seem to be at this point in history. The world is a beautiful place, I hope those in power step back from the brink.

Even if small battlefield nukes are used, there is a chance we could pause & not escalate to an all out attack across many nations. Just a ‘small’ sub 100 kiloton device would be devastating. Radioactive fallout has no regard for borders on a map, and Putin would put his own people in danger. I think he doesn’t see his own population as people, more pawns on a chess game he’s currently losing. He’s is utterly mad.

I pray those close to him will take him out. That’s an awful thing to think, but I’m convinced Putin is a psychopath with no empathy for anyone, with a sole focus on his own glory. Crap analogy, but right now he’s like a trapped rat, being pinned further & further into a corner with Ukrainian gains in the east.

Do we step back & let the rat escape, or shoot it to get rid of the problem before he attacks us all?

JaninaDuszejko · 07/10/2022 20:27

That's not strictly true. Chernobyl happened when Gorbachev was a fairly new leader and the news at the time was saying that it was a sign of the opening up of the USSR.

JaninaDuszejko · 07/10/2022 20:31

My post was aimed @Lansonmaid

vera99 · 07/10/2022 20:52

If you're anxious stay off these threads there is nothing you can do in any case and focus on those around you and make your life better in whatever way you can. The only news you need to worry about is the weather forecast and take refuge that there are checks and balances and consequences and Putin can't act alone to make a decision. In my teens/ early 20s, I was a member of CND and got really worked up about it all and went on marches and stayed at peace camps. But it never came to pass. Accepting what you can't change doesn't mean you're stuck and doomed to misery. You may not be able to change the situation or other people, but you can change how you think, feel, and behave. Accepting that many things are out of your control, isn't giving up or giving in. It's not weak or passive.

Oh and don't let your kids troll you ....

Meklk · 07/10/2022 21:15

Anyway, if there will be any kind of nuclear war - we are all f*cked. I would like to die first then. What's the point to survive if EVERYTHING (BUILDINGS, WATER, ALL FOOD) will be contaminated with radiation. Yes, you might be able to leave the building after few weeks but how you will survive, that's the question. Don't expect NHS deliver your prescriptions or firefighters to come. All government services will disappear....
I'm not panicking, but there is no point to survive.

vera99 · 07/10/2022 21:20

In The Road ( a great but post-apocalyptic movie ) the mother kills herself rather than live in that fallen world and the father takes his son through the wastelands in search of hope. The great tragedy of the world is that women create life and men more often than not take it heedlessly and wantonly.

BiscuitLover3678 · 07/10/2022 21:25

I really, really hope his own country rebels and kills him.

I don’t think the west can and should do much to retaliate because a nuclear war kills us all.

Cause his country to hate him even more? So all sanctions possible.

lemmein · 07/10/2022 23:26

Meklk · 07/10/2022 21:15

Anyway, if there will be any kind of nuclear war - we are all f*cked. I would like to die first then. What's the point to survive if EVERYTHING (BUILDINGS, WATER, ALL FOOD) will be contaminated with radiation. Yes, you might be able to leave the building after few weeks but how you will survive, that's the question. Don't expect NHS deliver your prescriptions or firefighters to come. All government services will disappear....
I'm not panicking, but there is no point to survive.

I get stressed when my broadband goes down for 5 minutes! I definitely don't want to survive a nuclear blast 😖

MayThe4th · 08/10/2022 07:34

Livelovebehappy · 07/10/2022 20:04

I was wondering why he hasn’t been assassinated. There would be people in the the secret services in most countries who would have the capability to do that. Because no-one has, I’m thinking he may have made world leaders aware that his government have been instructed to press the nuclear button should he be taken out. That would then protect him from the West doing anything to him.

No. It’s far better that he lose than we take him out.

He does still have some supporters in Russia, and assassinating him means that we have no idea what will come after. Assassinating putin won’t mean the war is won.

We didn’t assassinate Hitler for the same reasons.

justasking111 · 08/10/2022 07:37

JaninaDuszejko · 07/10/2022 16:27

When Chernobyl exploded welsh sheep were radioactive for 26 years. Wherever Putin detonates a nuclear bomb we will all be affected. I can't see China being happy about that.

Our sheep were radioactive before Chernobyl, our cancer rates so high that they buried the study. But we're not supposed to know about this.

carrotsinthepan · 08/10/2022 07:46

If be detonates one tactical nuke, even a few - nothing will happen immediately. Ukraine is not a member of NATO and even if it was I’d bet everything I own that the response would be the same…. Nobody would retaliate with nuclear and would instead step back and say a better defence is to defend the planet and not escalate a nuclear conflict at all.

That’s not to say there wouldnt be other huge repercussions for Putin but I think avoiding nuclear retaliation and not risking all out nuclear war would be the priority not teaching Putin a lesson. He will likely ‘get away with it’ if he does to a great extent.

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