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Does anyone know what's going on in Leicester?

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/09/2022 10:56

Reports of trouble in East Leicester. I don't live there but do have an interest in the area. Does anyone local know exactly what's going on? The news reports are pretty vague...

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vera99 · 18/09/2022 12:38

Go to Twitter put in the search term "Leicester" then sort on latest and scroll through. It's the easiest way to see raw unfiltered news these days.

twitter.com/search?q=leicester%20&src=typed_query&f=live

Freedomfighters · 18/09/2022 12:38

ItsJustLittleOlMe · 18/09/2022 12:32

The media not wanting to stir things up? There's a first.

Yes. They do like to stir things up when it comes to certain topics, but not others. More balanced and thoughtful reporting on all subjects would be better. But it doesn't happen.

Maireas · 18/09/2022 12:39

Freedomfighters · 18/09/2022 12:12

My view is that poverty is the main problem in Leicester. And all of the other problems that are associated with that.

Why does poverty cause the burning of religious flags and mass fighting on the streets?

You're right, it doesn't. It's not poverty, it's sectarianism.

Grandeur · 18/09/2022 12:45

The huge police presence last night was due to a Hindu temple being targeted.
There's a video on twitter here:
https://twitter.com/Xx17965797N/status/1571411592587218950

greenhousegal · 18/09/2022 12:48

Colonianism and Empire building by Britain is one reason there are so many different cultures in the UK. I think folk from different countries (not just post colonial) like to stick with their own. The loyalties to people's historical country are deep and old rivalries can persist through generations.

Anyway, isn't it odd that cricket and rugby could go ahead this weekend, but the football was cancelled. Wonder why there is a difference between sports?

Freedomfighters · 18/09/2022 12:49

woodhill · 18/09/2022 12:10

Why can't they leave their pasts behind, they've come here to start a new life surely

It's always some one else's fault

It doesn't work when some see themselves as part of a global movement, rather than following the rules and beliefs of the host country.

FreyaStorm · 18/09/2022 12:51

I do believe it’s some chickens coming home to roost.

Toodlepip!

MysteriesOfTheOrganism · 18/09/2022 12:53

Maireas · 18/09/2022 12:39

You're right, it doesn't. It's not poverty, it's sectarianism.

Humans are fundamentally tribal. We operate within circles of literal and figurative kinship. Civilisation always has to work hard to paper over the cracks of "us versus them". When stress increases, so does tribalism. Poverty is a major stress. It doesn't help when politicians and activists whip up sectarian feelings for their own aims - and they mostly target the disenfranchised and disgruntled, who are already primed.

Maireas · 18/09/2022 12:55

MysteriesOfTheOrganism · 18/09/2022 12:53

Humans are fundamentally tribal. We operate within circles of literal and figurative kinship. Civilisation always has to work hard to paper over the cracks of "us versus them". When stress increases, so does tribalism. Poverty is a major stress. It doesn't help when politicians and activists whip up sectarian feelings for their own aims - and they mostly target the disenfranchised and disgruntled, who are already primed.

They're not disenfranchised.
If they're 18, they have the vote.

PolarPolly27 · 18/09/2022 13:01

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/09/2022 12:06

I don't think it's the case that multicultural doesn't work. In the absence of poverty and significant inequalities, it tends to work just fine.

My view is that poverty is the main problem in Leicester. And all of the other problems that are associated with that.

OP, numerous posters have explained the cause of the underlying tensions yet you seem intent on pursuing the poverty narrative. What exactly is your agenda?

FrownedUpon · 18/09/2022 13:01

It’s religious hatred. Many of the young men don’t even know the historical detail of the tensions. They just hate Hindus, so join in with the burning of flags & temples. It’s pathetic really.

flashbac · 18/09/2022 13:02

Sorry but I call bullshit on the claim that cricket caused this given Pakistanis are a tiny minority in Leicester and most of the Muslims there are Indian.
Relatives there claim a relatively recently arrived cohort of indian Hindus, who came via Portuguese passport pathway (before closed borders), are causing the trouble, by targeting lone Muslims, like a traffic warden who was attacked by a mob. Now Muslims are congregating to mount counter attacks. Who knows if this is true. This is what I have heard and suspect its not the whole story.

flashbac · 18/09/2022 13:03

FrownedUpon · 18/09/2022 13:01

It’s religious hatred. Many of the young men don’t even know the historical detail of the tensions. They just hate Hindus, so join in with the burning of flags & temples. It’s pathetic really.

Given that Hindus the majority in Leicester and the tensions have been running for a few weeks I find it interesting you have blamed one side only.

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/09/2022 13:05

How well do you know the outskirts op? The Birmingham Mail reported issues at Green Lane Road. So just off the A47 going east.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/09/2022 13:06

PolarPolly27 · 18/09/2022 13:01

OP, numerous posters have explained the cause of the underlying tensions yet you seem intent on pursuing the poverty narrative. What exactly is your agenda?

No particular agenda, actually. I'm just stating my opinion.

As for the "explanations" of the underlying tensions, I'm well aware of the historical context etc. I just disagree with their assessment of what's going on. I think religious prejudices are a part of what's happening here, but I don't think it's the whole story by any means.

I can only reiterate my observation that these "sectarian tensions" rarely if ever arise in affluent, prosperous areas. If someone wants to give me examples that prove me wrong on that, I'll happily reconsider.

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/09/2022 13:08

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/09/2022 13:05

How well do you know the outskirts op? The Birmingham Mail reported issues at Green Lane Road. So just off the A47 going east.

I know the Green Lane area but haven't been there for a few years.

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womaninatightspot · 18/09/2022 13:08

TheHideAndSeekingHill · 18/09/2022 12:18

I get your point but on the other hand you don’t tend to see people with comfortable lives and jobs etc (let alone wealthy people) coming out in the streets for a big fight.

Id be tempted to agree. The violence I’ve seen has all been poverty linked from football casuals to teenager from one housing estate knocking the shit out of teenagers from the next housing estate. I live somewhere rural now and the middle classes seem to manage to coexist without physical fighting.

NonagonInfinityOpensTheDoor · 18/09/2022 13:08

Sorry but I call bullshit on the claim that cricket caused this
It may not be the reason for the prolonged aggression but it was the beginning. It always kicks off after the cricket, of course the police do fuck all about it every single year despite the face people are driving like maniacs, setting fireworks off in the street and generally acting like fucking animals. I hate living there. Desperately want to move back to my home city. Leicester is a fucking shithole

gogohmm · 18/09/2022 13:11

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

It's apparently old tensions sparked by a cricket match. Last night though there were youths from outside Leicester coming to "join in" supposedly a flag set it off but as with all trouble it's never that simple.

It's certainly not about poverty, contrary to assumptions outside of Leicester this is not a big problem, look at the flashy cars - there's pockets but as in every city and town.

That area has had issues with young men hanging around (with flash cars) and fairly frequently mild trouble breaks

DesertOrchi · 18/09/2022 13:18

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autyspauty · 18/09/2022 13:18

HarpicHarpy · 18/09/2022 12:08

So if we eject all the minorities from Britain we'll be a peaceful nation? Because white British men get along so famously? Different groups of men will always find reasons to fight each other whether its race, religion, football, cricket, history, musical taste or simply because.

So we need to.... kick out the men. Job done. Sorted.

Maireas · 18/09/2022 13:19

autyspauty · 18/09/2022 13:18

So we need to.... kick out the men. Job done. Sorted.

Good plan 😁👍!

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vera99 · 18/09/2022 13:23

BBC picked it up now.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-62943952

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 18/09/2022 13:24

It's certainly not about poverty, contrary to assumptions outside of Leicester this is not a big problem, look at the flashy cars - there's pockets but as in every city and town.

Sorry, but this is not correct. Yes, there is plenty of wealth in Leicester, but there is also significant deprivation, particularly in certain areas.

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