James Bulger's mother demands right to find freed killers

[suzywong]

as reported in the \link{http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml\news of the world.

Should she have the right?

Discuss

I don't think this is the time or the place to be having a go at someone because their punctuation is incorrect. Quite a desperately low attempt at trying to create a rise.

I love you all, ur as mad as i am.

Tammy, could you show your love for me by going back to twatshank?

Hang on how did this get onto breast v bottle!! That's almost like standing there having an argument on someone's grave or something! Go to the breast/bottle feeding board!

Sorry just my opinion, Mrs Bulgar wouldn't be very impressed if she came here and saw how this had degenerated into a cat fight about anything you can get your claws into!

And she is so likey to come on here.

The breastfeeding thing wasnt even a serious debate, hun.

I agree.

Lets stick to the topic

Uwila, some found it offensive, i dont know why, i wasnt calling them a twat afterall.
I changed it as a compromise, maybe i should do a pole.

Twatshank?
tammylove.........the decision is yours.

Well in my opinion we should be bloomin serious on a post like this, I'm sorry but it's a serious issue!!!

Sorry no offence to anyone, things like this just upset me - not the fighting, the original topic.

perhaps you could poll on another thread so people can get back to the subject of the thread?

Okay, back to topic in question. I said i felt deeply and wanted to them punished properly.

I was shouted at for that opinion, but seriously do any of you think they have served a sentence ti fit the crime they did, because i dont.

Tammytwatshanklove,
1- I agree that the sentance fell short of fitting the crime.
2- I question whether two ten year olds who commit premeditated murder can actually be rehabilitated
3- If they can be rehabilitated, is prison actually a sutable atmosphere for such rehabilitation?
4- Where were these boys' parents? And why aren't they held responsible (or were they held somewhat responsible?) for the acts that their children committed? Where are these parents now?

Personally, I think that when Children as young as 10 commit crimes, the parents should be held accountable. (depending on the crime and what level of parenting has been offered to correct such behaviours). If a parent has responsibilities. And if they don't perform them after bringing a child into the world, then they are somewhat to blame.

Ok ff - it seems there is one rule for some and quite another rule for others!

I think they'd obviously been abused to such a degree that they thought this behaviour was acceptable... Someone else said something like 'a ten year old child can not think up the battery idea by himself'... just imagine what they went through, to get to that point. Children often do as they have been done to as a cry for help - they needed intensive therapy, they needed social services to step in before any of this could have happened! They will have to live with the horrendously unforgivable thing that they've done for the rest of their lives, can you imagine living with that guilt! No punishment on earth could be worse!...They were just children.

Do we know that they were abused? Or are we speculating. I'm afraid I really don't know their history. But would be interested if anyone else does?

Uwila, i will do my best to answer your questions, from how i see it.

1- I agree that the sentance fell short of fitting the crime.
2- I question whether two ten year olds who commit premeditated murder can actually be rehabilitated
3- If they can be rehabilitated, is prison actually a sutable atmosphere for such rehabilitation?
4- Where were these boys' parents? And why aren't they held responsible (or were they held somewhat responsible?) for the acts that their children committed? Where are these parents now?

1. The sentence was a joke, they were put in an open detention centre, with games, videos and all the stuff little boys crave.

2. I dont believe they can rehabilitated, they didnt take some sweets from the corner shop, they took a childs life and destroyed many more. I believe it was Thompson, that just before release bragged about HIS crime to other inmates, and suffered many disaplines for violence whilst serving his 'sentance'.

3. No prison is far to good for them, i would prefer a gas chamber or the gallows but as this is realistic, i think they should have been sent to an adults prison and caged with the 'real' monsters and murderers, as this was also their crime afterall.

4. As for their parents, i know Thompson was a broken home, he ironically took care of his siblings, i dont think his mom kept him on a sharp lead or anything as he should as he was out of control.
   Venables, had quite a normal home life where mom and dad spent time with him and showed him love.
   From what i have heard, Thompsons mom washed her hands of him, Venables havent.

I think in some cases its hard to expect a parent to take the blame, but certainly in Thompsons case, a very careful eye needed to be kept on him, his mother could have seen this coming as he did set about his younger brother and apparently attempted a pretend killing.

Very worrying.

from what I remember the one boy had a "normal' homelife and the other boys homelife was a disrupted, but i am not sure he was abused, i think he had some leatning prolems too

please feel free to correct me if i am wrong

But how do we know they feel guilt? Surely you cant feel much if you are capable of torturing a 2 year old, i do agree the battery thing had to come from somewhere, but there didnt appear to be any apparent abuse from what i gather. They also did other things, which i question and wont mention as they are upsetting.

How do you know they don't feel guilt?

And where did you read about Thompson's bragging?

Space, i cant answer that no more than you can answer that they do feel guilt, you can only look at cold hard facts and make an assumption from that.

I heard/read about the violence a few years back and honestly cant remember origanally, but more than likely a newspaper, and before the oh the tabloids dont believe everything you read crap. Let me just say, this is my opinion and i think they are dangerous.

You are basing your opinion on nothing. Certainly not cold hard facts.

Oh, see I was taking into account the earlier post on here from the woman who knew the psych lady who treated them and said the abuse was so awful that she was in tears etc etc...(friend of a friend of a... situation there I think, sorry)

To be able to do what they did, they either had to be eomtionless - or so full of emotions that they didn't want to feel that they were spilling out all over the place with horrible results.. I guess we can't presume anything. Either way they were ill.

I said they were assumptions and my opinion. I think they shouldnt have had protection when they served their time. I cant imagine Denises pain and i feel so bad for her, but surely if it was a family you knew, you would want closure and their sentence wasnt enough. Again in IMHO.
I have a 2 yr ols boy,and a 5 yr ols girl and woe betide anyone touch a hair on their head.

I am a mother with the instinct to protect my children, and i dont think justice has been served.

The thing is you don't know the cold hard facts. Were you there? Have you met them? Did you work in the prison? Therefore your opinions on what should be done with them, whether they feel remorse etc are worthless, so I'd suggest you don't attempt to present them as fact here.

I don't know the facts either btw. It may be that they are still dangerous, it may be that they are not. They may feel remorse, they may not. I don't know.

And please don't believe what you read in the papers. Especially tabloids.

Tammy, just a question...not meant to be offensive or anything at all - what if one of your children became mentally ill? Perhaps for no tangible reason, and it went un-noticed, and they did something like this? What would you do, would you want to protect them as you do now, even in that situation?