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Rachel Johnson and Motherhood

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Judy1234 · 13/01/2008 10:57

It is boring being at home. It's unremitting domestic toil so most mothers of under 5s now work and I am glad I worked full time when we had 3 under 5. RJ says in today's Sunday Times she was at home with 3 children under 5. More fool her I say. Why not instead ditch your guilt, get wonderful childcare for your children and have the best of all worlds she says men have secured in the last 50 years - success at work and time with the family. That's the way to go not to feel you have to be there as drudge and chief cook and bottle washer for 5 years with no gains for anyone. The only way we survived having 3 children under 5 and avoided the problem that does not speak its name or whatever RJ refers to Betty F calling it was by us both working happily and having the amount of child care and cleaning we could comfortably tolerate.

"Many congratulations to the alabaster beauty Nicole Kidman, who is due to hear the patter of tiny feet in July. Celebrity ?baby joy?, as it is invariably termed, always spreads the love around, and the so-called friends have duly announced that ?Nic and Keith [Urban] are riding the clouds? while Nicole?s publicist is confining herself to a press release that describes the gravid couple as ?thrilled?.

I?m as pleased as you are, and possibly even more pleased than Katie Holmes, who is married to Kidman?s ex, Tom Cruise, claims to be about it. But I have to admit to feeling that the predictable gush over one elderly primigravida, who happens to be an internationally worshipped movie star with bags of fairy dust and the world at her feet, threatens, as these occasions do, to obscure the less sparkly reality of early motherhood for many women, women whose lives cannot so gracefully gloss over the harsh truth that 40 is not the best time to start a baby; that most companies are structured around men with stay-at-home wives in mind; and that being at home all day in sole charge of babies and small children can be tiring, repetitive, isolating and indescribably dull.

When I had three children under four, I never knew how to answer when child-free friends called and asked, ?How are you?? So I would trill, ?Fine! Great!?

But in fact I felt exhausted all the time, to the point of delirium, and for about five years my proudest achievement was the time I managed to make a trip to the chemist without a double buggy, nappy bag and toddler ? and didn?t forget my wallet. But I never had postnatal depression, and in that sense and many others I recognise I was blessed. For the day after the Kidman-Urban announcement we learnt of Heather Finkill, 30, the newly delivered mother of two-week-old twins, Lacey and Isobel. Mrs Finkill left her Hampshire house at 7am and walked in front of a lorry on the northbound carriageway of the M3.

Her death is desperately sad and sounds like an extreme case. But actually such stories aren?t all that uncommon. Suicide is the leading cause of death in young mothers. One in five women, according to the charity Perinatal Illness UK, suffers from some form of postnatal depression. Even now. In fact, make that, especially now.

In 1963 Betty Friedan defined, in The Feminine Mystique, the feeling of frustrated, morale-sapping dread that many ? especially educated ? women feel at the onset of domesticity, housewifery and motherhood. She called it ?the problem with no name?.

In the 1970s Spare Rib, the feminist magazine, was inundated by manuscripts from women confessing to their loneliness and shame that they did not find motherhood the idyllic scenario that it was cracked up to be.

But in 2008, even though we have the equal pay act and flexitime and supposedly bags of paternal involvement, even though we have Harriet Harperson insisting that ?it must be the cultural norm for both mothers and fathers to work flexibly so they can balance earning a living while bringing up their children?, mums are still depressed. More than ever, it appears, if the one-in-five figure is right.

I hesitate to put this theory forward, but I will anyway. I think that what lies behind this sorority of suffering is that nothing has come along to make motherhood any easier since the dawn of feminism, and lots has come along to make it harder.

As well as the demands of pregnancy, childbirth and small children, women are now expected to work when they?re expecting and beyond. And when they?ve produced the next generation, they discover to their dismay that they have just taken on a second profession. They will be responsible for everything their child does, annually audited, and to blame for it.

Meanwhile their husbands have inexplicably declined the tempting new-Labour offers of flexitime and paid paternity leave to share parental duties. Studies show that while fathers evince genuine desire to be involved in their children?s lives, they make poorer primary carers for sons, think that spaghetti hoops three times a day can?t be wrong and have herd immunity to mess.

They want family time and intimacy with their children but are understandably reluctant to extend this involvement so it risks annoying the boss or involves being made to hand-wash the Weenee pouch pants.

?Fathers are fine with a day out but they are reluctant to take on the menial everyday tasks like the laundry, and studies show that they want to have the status of a job and paid work and to be able, on top of that, to come home to spend time with their children,? Dr Esther Dermott told me. A sociologist who specialises in ?contemporary fatherhood? at Bristol University, she is the author of the father-son study. ?The fact that new fathers don?t reduce their working hours also means that the burden of childcare is much more likely to fall on the mother, rather than being shared,? she said.

Mmm. If I hear the expert correctly, what she said is that, in modern society, it?s men who are validating themselves in the workplace, continuing their careers and returning home to the fragrant, pyjamaed children, to the hot supper. Not women. If that is the case, it turns out that the past 40 years have resulted not in mothers having it all, but fathers.

Well, what can I say? Well done, chaps. "

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Tortington · 13/01/2008 15:21

the implication that you are poor becuase you dont have a hard enough work ethic.

positively victorian.

Pruners · 13/01/2008 15:30

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SheikYerbouti · 13/01/2008 15:36

I don;t need to read the article to know it's a load of nobboid tosh

SheikYerbouti · 13/01/2008 15:37

I workl my fucking arse off. I work full time (ofetn more) and I am often up until 2 am tryaing to finish work if we are busy.

I als look after my kids FT

I am still brassic.

filthymindedvixen · 13/01/2008 15:39

oh custy, thank you, thank you...

Xenia once told me that if my child failed at school because of his dysliexia I should send him to a private school. And if I couldn't afford a private school, I should simply get a better paid job.

And much as I sort of admire Xenia for her single-mindedness, I have never been able to get over that brick wall.

SheikYerbouti · 13/01/2008 15:43

"And if I couldn't afford a private school, I should simply get a better paid job."

Oh, if only life were like that.....

SheikYerbouti · 13/01/2008 15:51

Agree wholehearteldly with Custy about some peolle can't return to work after having a baby, due to lack of provision of affordable childcare. I work FT, but off hours to avoid paying out for childcare (My 2 go to a childmionder for 13 hours a week, which works out at around £100 a week, which is a HUGE chunk of my salary)

Not everyone has the luxury of earning £150K a year.

Besdides, if everyone did, who would clean the streets/hospital cleaners/work on checkouts/wipe the arses of the rich etc etc? Those jobs are evry bit as important as high flying city workers. We need them in order for our communities to work.

FourPlusOne · 13/01/2008 15:52

I like being at home with my children, and I am lucky that my husband is earning enough for me to be able to stay at home and do so. Yet I can see why many of my working mother friends enjoy going back to work and I can appreciate that for many women it is the better option and they are better mothers for it. I also know mothers who would rather not be working but it is the only option. We can't afford expensive holidays/cars, but we can afford nice food and what we need. I will return to work when my youngest is in nursery (or before that if our circumstances change) - it just all depends on our situation, and that is the case with most mums. I think that it's sad that women can't empathise with each other and treat each others decisions with respect. I am happy with what I'm doing and would hope that other mums don't look down on me for doing what I want. I gave up a career that I enjoyed, but like being a SAHM, you have good days and bad days and boring days in whatever you do. Why do people feel the need to criticise what everyone else is doing. If what you're doing makes you happy then get on with it and stop justifying your decisions by putting other people down.

Anna8888 · 13/01/2008 15:53

Who read "Back on the Beeton track" on page 4 of the Life & Arts section of the FT this weekend?

Twiglett · 13/01/2008 15:56

God Xenia .. you're such an unrelentlingly depressing and negative force on mumsnet.

At least from the perspective of being a generally happy SAHM you are

Do you ever stop and think 'oh maybe there's another point of view that has validity' over and above your own fairly desperate experiences of relationships and children

dinnersinthedog · 13/01/2008 16:02

Hear hear 4+1, can't we all just accept that everyone has a reason for doing what they are doing. Wouldn't life be dull if we were all the same.

FluffyMummy123 · 13/01/2008 16:04

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Twiglett · 13/01/2008 16:04

like to see you get a full time nanny for 20K cod

dinnersinthedog · 13/01/2008 16:08

iCod perhaps you should get a 'better paid job'

Countingthegreyhairs · 13/01/2008 16:28

Hear hear to Twiglett's last sentence.

Digression:

"But I have to admit to feeling that the predictable gush over one elderly primigravida, ........ threatens, as these occasions do, to obscure the less sparkly reality of early motherhood for many women, women whose lives cannot so gracefully gloss over the harsh truth that 40 is not the best time to start a baby"

As a quite ordinary "primigravida" I find this comment by RJ deeply offensive.

Iota · 13/01/2008 16:38

that is a sad remark by RJ - poor Nicole has been trying to have a baby for years, she hasn't deliberately waited until she was 40.

Countingthegreyhairs · 13/01/2008 16:40

er - x-posted - was referring to Twig's comment about other people's points of view being equally valid...!!

Iota · 13/01/2008 16:50

Just to emphasise the point about how much you need to earn to make it worthwhile going out to work and outsourcing your domestic stuff, Peter and Dan Snow stated that 90% of people in the UK earn below £46k.

If you scroll down on this link it shows average wages for a lot of typical jobs.

Interesting reading. It's not very cost effective for a lot of women to return to work.

"Nearly 6m were in the lowest pay bracket of less than £10,000, including cleaners and hairdressers. The average British salary is £24,907, but two-thirds of the population still earn under the national average, while fewer than 5,000 earn more than £1m.

And to be in the top 10% of earners, you need to be on a salary of just £46,000. The findings were revealed last night on the BBC2 TV programme What Britain Earns"

from here

SheikYerbouti · 13/01/2008 16:52

RJ is of the same ilk as that Scheherazade Goldsmith woman who bleats on about having goats and being all self sufficient and looking down on those who shop at Asda because they haven't thie time or the inclination to hand mill their own flour.

They live in a world where rich daddies and hubbies support them whatever they decide to do, be it a SAHM or work.

They don't live in a world where women have no choice but to stay at home because they can't afford or get help with the costs of childcare, or becaise the provision of childcare in their area is shithouse or oversubscribed

NKF · 13/01/2008 16:53

For some women being at home is boring. Some women can't bear to be separated from their babies for too long and so put up with the boredom.

I think for many of us the challenge of motherhood is that push/pull between self and family, between autonomy in a grown up world and immersion in domestic life.

That said, I know some women really enjoy domestic life or at least say they do.

SueBaroo · 13/01/2008 16:59

There are days I enjoy it 100%, and there are days when I don't. There isn't a day so far when it's been soul-destroying drudgery.

SheikYerbouti · 13/01/2008 17:01

Work is like that though isn;t it?

Some days at work, I love it and other's it's shit and dullsville.

SueBaroo · 13/01/2008 17:04

Sheik, life is like that. Anyone who says it isn't is either lying or on a very impressive narcotic.

Quattrocento · 13/01/2008 17:04

This is the point you are missing Xenia. I have seen many people forced out of the workplace because they simply couldn't afford the childcare to work. Or if they could afford it, they would be wearing themselves out for nothing.

Working actually suited me, which is lucky because I came from the other side of the coin, I couldn't actually afford not to work!

People talk about choices but in reality women don't actually have that many choices.

SheikYerbouti · 13/01/2008 17:11

lol Sue

v true

But obv people belive it's not. I refer you to Goat Woman and Rachael I'm not cahing in on my brother's name honest Johnson and their bleatings and brayings in newspapers

See also Lauren Booth: My children eat healthy food, and it's so annoying, but that still amkes me better then you.