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Rachel Johnson and Motherhood

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Judy1234 · 13/01/2008 10:57

It is boring being at home. It's unremitting domestic toil so most mothers of under 5s now work and I am glad I worked full time when we had 3 under 5. RJ says in today's Sunday Times she was at home with 3 children under 5. More fool her I say. Why not instead ditch your guilt, get wonderful childcare for your children and have the best of all worlds she says men have secured in the last 50 years - success at work and time with the family. That's the way to go not to feel you have to be there as drudge and chief cook and bottle washer for 5 years with no gains for anyone. The only way we survived having 3 children under 5 and avoided the problem that does not speak its name or whatever RJ refers to Betty F calling it was by us both working happily and having the amount of child care and cleaning we could comfortably tolerate.

"Many congratulations to the alabaster beauty Nicole Kidman, who is due to hear the patter of tiny feet in July. Celebrity ?baby joy?, as it is invariably termed, always spreads the love around, and the so-called friends have duly announced that ?Nic and Keith [Urban] are riding the clouds? while Nicole?s publicist is confining herself to a press release that describes the gravid couple as ?thrilled?.

I?m as pleased as you are, and possibly even more pleased than Katie Holmes, who is married to Kidman?s ex, Tom Cruise, claims to be about it. But I have to admit to feeling that the predictable gush over one elderly primigravida, who happens to be an internationally worshipped movie star with bags of fairy dust and the world at her feet, threatens, as these occasions do, to obscure the less sparkly reality of early motherhood for many women, women whose lives cannot so gracefully gloss over the harsh truth that 40 is not the best time to start a baby; that most companies are structured around men with stay-at-home wives in mind; and that being at home all day in sole charge of babies and small children can be tiring, repetitive, isolating and indescribably dull.

When I had three children under four, I never knew how to answer when child-free friends called and asked, ?How are you?? So I would trill, ?Fine! Great!?

But in fact I felt exhausted all the time, to the point of delirium, and for about five years my proudest achievement was the time I managed to make a trip to the chemist without a double buggy, nappy bag and toddler ? and didn?t forget my wallet. But I never had postnatal depression, and in that sense and many others I recognise I was blessed. For the day after the Kidman-Urban announcement we learnt of Heather Finkill, 30, the newly delivered mother of two-week-old twins, Lacey and Isobel. Mrs Finkill left her Hampshire house at 7am and walked in front of a lorry on the northbound carriageway of the M3.

Her death is desperately sad and sounds like an extreme case. But actually such stories aren?t all that uncommon. Suicide is the leading cause of death in young mothers. One in five women, according to the charity Perinatal Illness UK, suffers from some form of postnatal depression. Even now. In fact, make that, especially now.

In 1963 Betty Friedan defined, in The Feminine Mystique, the feeling of frustrated, morale-sapping dread that many ? especially educated ? women feel at the onset of domesticity, housewifery and motherhood. She called it ?the problem with no name?.

In the 1970s Spare Rib, the feminist magazine, was inundated by manuscripts from women confessing to their loneliness and shame that they did not find motherhood the idyllic scenario that it was cracked up to be.

But in 2008, even though we have the equal pay act and flexitime and supposedly bags of paternal involvement, even though we have Harriet Harperson insisting that ?it must be the cultural norm for both mothers and fathers to work flexibly so they can balance earning a living while bringing up their children?, mums are still depressed. More than ever, it appears, if the one-in-five figure is right.

I hesitate to put this theory forward, but I will anyway. I think that what lies behind this sorority of suffering is that nothing has come along to make motherhood any easier since the dawn of feminism, and lots has come along to make it harder.

As well as the demands of pregnancy, childbirth and small children, women are now expected to work when they?re expecting and beyond. And when they?ve produced the next generation, they discover to their dismay that they have just taken on a second profession. They will be responsible for everything their child does, annually audited, and to blame for it.

Meanwhile their husbands have inexplicably declined the tempting new-Labour offers of flexitime and paid paternity leave to share parental duties. Studies show that while fathers evince genuine desire to be involved in their children?s lives, they make poorer primary carers for sons, think that spaghetti hoops three times a day can?t be wrong and have herd immunity to mess.

They want family time and intimacy with their children but are understandably reluctant to extend this involvement so it risks annoying the boss or involves being made to hand-wash the Weenee pouch pants.

?Fathers are fine with a day out but they are reluctant to take on the menial everyday tasks like the laundry, and studies show that they want to have the status of a job and paid work and to be able, on top of that, to come home to spend time with their children,? Dr Esther Dermott told me. A sociologist who specialises in ?contemporary fatherhood? at Bristol University, she is the author of the father-son study. ?The fact that new fathers don?t reduce their working hours also means that the burden of childcare is much more likely to fall on the mother, rather than being shared,? she said.

Mmm. If I hear the expert correctly, what she said is that, in modern society, it?s men who are validating themselves in the workplace, continuing their careers and returning home to the fragrant, pyjamaed children, to the hot supper. Not women. If that is the case, it turns out that the past 40 years have resulted not in mothers having it all, but fathers.

Well, what can I say? Well done, chaps. "

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rantinghousewife · 14/01/2008 22:11

Something that hasn't been mentioned but, I think is important (especially in light of RubyRs post). Stats show that a large number of women who stay at home then go on to form their own companies or change direction careerwise.
And I personally think that is a good thing.

mrsruffallo · 14/01/2008 22:12

LOL Ruby
The ones that don't commit suicide you mean, ranting?

morningpaper · 14/01/2008 22:13

Ref. original article:

"Suicide is the leading cause of death in young mothers."

margoandjerry · 14/01/2008 22:13

The basic point that men can have children and do all the fun stuff and ignore all the tough stuff is broadly true, imho.

I am one of five parents in my workplace (the only woman) and the only one to "sacrifice" any work hours to deal with childcare issues. The men all have wives at home or wives who work part time.

Personally I would hate to stay at home all day. The weekends are quite enough for me. I work full time and I love it. But I do get irritated by the men who go on about the quality time they spend with their children when that means they are not around in the evenings or even at weekends. But they do take the odd afternoon off to go and watch the boy play rugby. That makes me furious actually. Meanwhile, wife who is not watching the rugby match is sorting school uniform, sewing on name tapes, trailing toddlers around the house while trying to do some housework, cooking endless meals, basically doing all the squaddie work while husband does the captain work.

FluffyMummy123 · 14/01/2008 22:14

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morningpaper · 14/01/2008 22:15

A failed marriage CAN be quite idylic

morningpaper · 14/01/2008 22:15

or even idyllic

morningpaper · 14/01/2008 22:16

"your marriage did fail"

Such a TERRIBLE phrase BTW

FluffyMummy123 · 14/01/2008 22:17

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RubyRioja · 14/01/2008 22:17

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mrsruffallo · 14/01/2008 22:20

morning paper- are they all sahm's? Obviously, the issue is connected with PND which I believe effects all mothers, working or not. There may also be myriad factors at work here.
Rates of young men committing suicide are much higher than that of young women. What really angers me is Xenia using these statistics to back up her poorly argued and offensive remarks re; sahm. It's always the same with her and a dull debate but I think that is one comment too far

morningpaper · 14/01/2008 22:22

good points mrsR

except re. Xenia, I don't understand why her comments upset people so much, she is just arguing her POV, 'tis a perfectly valid one

RubyRioja · 14/01/2008 22:23

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morningpaper · 14/01/2008 22:25

But it is perfectly valid argument to say that there are MAJOR DOWNSIDES TO CONSIDER

Her second post said "Of course if you adore it go for it."

Xenia always seems very sensible to me

rantinghousewife · 14/01/2008 22:26

Yes, Xenia does make some good points but, they tend to get submerged beneath some of the more contentious assumptions that she makes.
I wholeheartedly agree that if a woman doesn't want to be a SAHM, then she shouldn't be (my own mother was bored witless by childcaring, ergo she worked) and I don't buy into this belief that you are doing your child lasting harm by going to work, rather than staying at home.
My own mum worked full time and I am perfectly sane and balanced and so is my ds, and I worked up until he was 10.

Quattrocento · 14/01/2008 22:26

there is something about social polish and private schools - it does exist - depends if you want your children polished and smug or inarticulate and helpless

what has Xenia's marriage got to do with anything? I am not aware of any correlation between women working and their marriages failing

morningpaper · 14/01/2008 22:28

Of course, Xenia can chuck out as many husbands as she likes and will still have a nice fat pension of her own

Unlike most of us

rantinghousewife · 14/01/2008 22:28

However, I also don't think that work makes all women happy, some of us are quite capable of staying at home and not driving ourselves insane. And some working mothers fail to see that too.

mrsruffallo · 14/01/2008 22:30

Well, how would the working mothers feel if I consistently posted on here criticising them. I really don't see it as much that way round.
To state that you are boring or are only staying at home because you are a bit dim is really insulting and disrespectful.

RubyRioja · 14/01/2008 22:31

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controlfreakyhappyandnew · 14/01/2008 22:34

oh xenia, you are a one......
YAWN.......
wake me up when you find something else to be smug insightful about, wont you.

Habbibu · 14/01/2008 22:35

"there is something about social polish and private schools - it does exist - depends if you want your children polished and smug or inarticulate and helpless" - And nothing in between, Quattro?

Quattrocento · 14/01/2008 22:36

Ruby, you've hit the nail on the head. This is why these debates get so heated.

Xenia's sense of self-worth is very connected to her work. As is mine, I have to admit. This is because we work and because our universe has to revolve around paid work.

SAHM's necessarily cannot find self-worth in the world of work, because they are not working. If they did previously (or more sadly currently) find selfworth in work, then they would feel pretty worthless. Instead they find self worth in family matters.

It doesn't mean that sahms are freeloading or that wohms are permanently damaging our children. Just look at it positively and you'll see that it's all okay.

SueAndHerAmazingWobbles · 14/01/2008 22:38

I am genuinely happy for Xenia that life has fallen butter-side-up for her. She knows whereof she speaks about private education and the life of the well-paid salaried mother.

The only thing that rubs my corns about Xenia is the swipes she takes at women who do choose to stay at home, who enjoy it and who would be supportive of daughters who did the same.

Everything else she says is fine by me, and I am fully supportive of women who choose to go back to paid work after they have children. It's not the way I choose to do things, but it's just reality for many.