Another woman guilty of murdering a small child…

[AlternativePerspective]

Leiland-James Corkill: Laura Castle guilty of murdering baby www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-61479420

Why is it that it is increasingly women who seem to be perpetrating these hideous crimes?

There has been another case of a woman murdering a small child though. There is nothing inaccurate about it. I'm sorry if you don't like that but it's true.

Rather than refusing to admit that a woman could ever do wrong, shouldn't we be trying to work out what causes these incidents in the first place? In the hope they can be prevented.

In the last five years an average of 58 children a year were killed by a parent/carer in the UK, with children under one being the largest group. Some of these awful cases hit the headlines, but clearly many do not.

She was both. It sounds like maybe FtA or concurrent planning?

Poor little baby. It’s heartbreaking.

I don’t understand why these people don’t hand the child to hospital, church, social services, anywhere rather than torture and kill them.

Rather than refusing to admit that a woman could ever do wrong
Nowhere has this been said. 🙄

It just doesn't seem that these cases are increasing which is the premise of the thread

I don't get how they got through the screening to adopt. I know smacking of older children was more normal at the time they grew up but the fact that they saw it as acceptable to "leather" a baby suggests that they themselves must have had a dysfunctional upbringing. Did they just lie to social services in order to get what they wanted?

No it hasn't.

I saw the initial reports of the charging and trial starting in another national newspaper.

Media outlets have to be careful on what they report to ensure people have fair jury trials.

Yes.

This is why smacking of children should be banned in England. (The start of the trial was around the time when the Education secretary said his wife snacked his children.)

Then there would be absolutely no excuse for "jokes" about hitting a baby between adults caring for a child. Strangers will feel safer intervening and neighbours will more likely to report cases.

When I did my peer support counsellor training, (back when we had childrens centres To support families), we were told that statistically a baby is more at risk from harm from its mother. We were advised of this because we may have had to raise safeguarding concerns.
I can think of at least two local instances where a mother has killed her children then herself because she couldn’t cope. These made the local papers but not sure if the national press.

Poor little boy. It obviously wasn't working out from the beginning, so why not just hand him back?? Both of them are Evil Fuckers who shouldn't see daylight again.

His foster Mum must be absolutely broken.

He looks like a 1950's baby like on the SMA adverts. Such a cherub.

how did these two pass the vetting when many don't??

Possibly true but I noticed that in most of the recent high profile cases the killer was not the child's mother.

This. It’s important to note it was his prospective adopter and not his original foster mum who committed this crime.

This

So, given the most recent murders of children reported in the media have all been perpetrated by women, there are numerous other small babies who have been murdered by men in that same period? No didn’t think so.

The fact is that it seems that increasingly the murders of small children are being committed by women. Whether men usually commit these types of murders is not relevant to the thread, what is relevant is that all the crimes being prosecuted at the moment appear to be women. And let’s be honest, in a huge amount of cases over time women have been involved.

Shannon matthews? Baby p? Star Hobson, little Arthur, this baby? In the case of star Hobson both the killers were women.and in many other cases, even if the women haven’t directly killed their children, they’ve stood by while their partners abused and then ultimately killed them.

But let’s not let this get in the way of the “men are evil, women are victims” agenda eh?

all the crimes being prosecuted at the moment appear to be women.

Don't be so ridiculous.

No baby should be in the care of people who think that 'leathering' them is OK, no baby should be in the care of someone who thinks that physically chastising a baby who is crying will make them stop, as the prospective father apparently thought, no baby should be in the care of people who can't empathize with a baby. Years ago, I had a conversation with a man who had been a foster carer along with his wife for ages. He said something which is quite true and has stuck with me. A baby can only cry to say what is wrong; a sore bum, wet nappy, hungry ,tired, too cold , too hot ? At that moment, their whole world is what is wrong , and it is up to the adult to put it right. This couple just could not get that and should never have been allowed near any child. IMHO, they encouraged one another in the abuse, and excused each other for their lack of empathy and kindness. Reading the report of the court case has just left me thinking how did they ever get approved? There are so many truly good people who would have loved that baby, and he gets them! No words can express how I feel.
I know caring for a baby can be stressful, but if she had just put him in a safe place and walked away, called social services and told them it wasn't working.

It's not a competition
The outcome is still the same

So, given the most recent murders of children reported in the media have all been perpetrated by women, there are numerous other small babies who have been murdered by men in that same period? No didn’t think so.

That's a strange conclusion to come to. You can type 'baby killed by father' or similar into Google and find numerous examples. Julius Czapla, Eleanor Easey, the children of Jordan Monaghan (murdered years ago but convicted recently), etc. Logan Mwangi has been a high profile case recently, one of his murderers was female, two were male.

Are you a criminologist, or do you have access to crime stats for other reasons? You can't speak authoritatively on this otherwise.

It's not a new phenomena - women have been capable of unspeakable cruelty and murder for just as long as men, it's just our relative physical weakness limits the scope. Children have been the exception to this rule as the majority of childcare has historically fallen to women.

Just look (or don't, it's really awful) at the Victorian baby farmers. Amelia Dyer may have been the most notorious as she was a serial killer but she definitely wasn't the only woman to be so cruel to her small charges.

Well all of these cases you refer to actually involved a non-biological parent of the child. Perhaps there is something in that. Who knows

But let’s not let this get in the way of the “men are evil, women are victims” agenda eh?

Not one single person has said anything of the sort on this thread.

Talking about agenda, you seem to be the only poster with one 🙄

His foster mum must be broken? What about his mum?! Most women who give their baby to or are forced to hand baby to social services deeply love their baby.

This poor wee mite was removed from his birth mother when he was two days old. I don't imagine Social Services and the Courts do that without very good reason. His foster mother looked after him for most of the first year of his life. His birth mother may well have loved him but she hadn't built the bond with him that his foster mother had.