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Another woman guilty of murdering a small child…

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AlternativePerspective · 17/05/2022 20:57

Leiland-James Corkill: Laura Castle guilty of murdering baby www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-61479420

Why is it that it is increasingly women who seem to be perpetrating these hideous crimes?

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oakleaffy · 17/05/2022 21:28

That foster carer looks a brute.
OF COURSE a baby ripped from his birth mother, however unsuitable she may be, will be “ Difficult”
Attachment disorder is a very real thing.

Goodness knows what that poor child went through, Distress, unhappiness, cruelty, he went from frying pan into roaring fire with a brutal woman who was clearly worse than his own mother.
Poor poor baby.

Lessons will be learned- Yeah yeah suuuuure they will.

Sleepingsatellite1 · 17/05/2022 21:30

oakleaffy · 17/05/2022 21:28

That foster carer looks a brute.
OF COURSE a baby ripped from his birth mother, however unsuitable she may be, will be “ Difficult”
Attachment disorder is a very real thing.

Goodness knows what that poor child went through, Distress, unhappiness, cruelty, he went from frying pan into roaring fire with a brutal woman who was clearly worse than his own mother.
Poor poor baby.

Lessons will be learned- Yeah yeah suuuuure they will.

Do you know why he was taken from his birth mother? Lessons never seem to be learnt, you are right there.

jewishmum · 17/05/2022 21:30

Another win for social services.
Putting someone else's baby into the arms of an unstable person.

Oysterbabe · 17/05/2022 21:31

It does feel like there's a lot at the moment. I was reading about Santina Crawley today too.

FourTeaFallOut · 17/05/2022 21:31

Mem murdering children IS reported in the news.......regularly

But look at the difference in column inches and air time.

whynotwhatknot · 17/05/2022 21:34

What annoys me is the lessons will be learnt

no they wont its been said for years as long as i can remeber

whumpthereitis · 17/05/2022 21:36

This is from the US, granted, but statistically mothers are more likely to be abusers than fathers:

www.statista.com/statistics/254893/child-abuse-in-the-us-by-perpetrator-relationship/

Not sure about the UK.

oakleaffy · 17/05/2022 21:37

Sleepingsatellite1 · 17/05/2022 21:30

Do you know why he was taken from his birth mother? Lessons never seem to be learnt, you are right there.

No, but she clearly didn’t kill him.
She may have been young, or an addict.

Viviennemary · 17/05/2022 21:38

This case has been under reported on a huge scale. A vulnerable baby who was sipposed to be under close monitoring by social workers was leathered regularly and finally murdered. It is really only today being reported on national news. It makes me furious.

Sleepingsatellite1 · 17/05/2022 21:39

oakleaffy · 17/05/2022 21:37

No, but she clearly didn’t kill him.
She may have been young, or an addict.

I’m not arguing about it I just thought it sounded like you knew 👍

WhereYouLeftIt · 17/05/2022 21:41

AlternativePerspective · 17/05/2022 21:15

Fact is though some of the most prominent child killings over the past few months have been perpetrated by women.

Arthur, Star Hobson, this baby, nobody is disputing that men kill, but the amount of women who kill seem to be increasing. Why is that?

The relevant word here is "prominent".

Something that is prominent stands out. Stand out from what? Stands out from the crowd. The ONE thing that stands out from the CROWD. Stands out because it is unusual. And it is because it is unusual that newspapers write about it and bring it to your attention - give it prominence.

Ginbutholdthetonic · 17/05/2022 21:42

I don’t know why I put myself through the stress of reading these articles. It makes me sit and look at my children (2.5 and 7 weeks) and wonder how anyone can be so cruel, how the baby would have not got to experience any love or learn how it felt to be loved.. and for toddlers/young children who understand more so that they are not loved by their parents and to not understand why their mummy and/or daddy hurt them..

It absolutely breaks my heart and no sentence will ever be long enough, but the ones they do receive are often appalling and a complete and utter insult to the children lost and their surrounding families.

RachelshouldvegonetoParis · 17/05/2022 21:43

And typical of some posters on MN trying to tell us ooh it's usually men that perpetrate these horrific crimes. Yes stop bloody trying score points. A BABY IS DEAD FFS!!

To be fair, people are just answering the OP’s question.

ldontWanna · 17/05/2022 21:48

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-61477675

BigFatLiar · 17/05/2022 21:49

I think to some extent a lot of it is 'women don't do that' so their behaviour is ignored. It has to be really bad for action to be taken.

LAHallucinations · 17/05/2022 21:56

It's really not that 'rare and unusual' for a woman to kill a child. Only yesterday a woman was convicted of murdering two year old Santina Cawley in Ireland. Today, there's the Leiland-James Corkill verdict. There's another trial ongoing in Ireland of a woman who stabbed her two children, killing one...

BorderlineHappy · 17/05/2022 21:58

That made me cry.His little chubby smiling face.I hope she gets her comeuppance in prison.

oakleaffy · 17/05/2022 21:59

Sleepingsatellite1 · 17/05/2022 21:39

I’m not arguing about it I just thought it sounded like you knew 👍

Oh no, I don’t know.

It was reported that his birth mother thought he’d be safe in this home. :(

It’s just desperately sad for babies and children who deserve so much better from the adults around them.

The next door neighbours heard shouting and swearing and slaps followed by screaming.

They didn’t report it because they didn’t want to stir up “ Trouble “ with the neighbours.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 17/05/2022 22:00

This story is absolutely unbearable. I don't know the details as I can't bring myself to click on the headlines.

To the question, though: I think there's a necessary prior question, about what male/female split of infanticide we would expect.

Should it be roughly 50/50, because that's the adult population? In that case, men are hugely overrepresented as child killers.

Should it be female-majority, in recognition of the fact that women statistically do more child-rearing than men, and therefore have greater opportunity and greater motive (in so far as being utterly at the end of your tether, or distressed by events elsewhere in your life/mind, are 'motives' for murdering a child)? In that case, men are even more overrepresented.

Should it be roughly in line with the perpetrators of other murders? I can't speak to this statistically (although I'm sure a quick Google will cover it), but it wouldn't surprise me if it broadly is aligned. Women murderers seem much less common, but certainly exist. Maybe 10% is about right.

3, 4, 5 high profile cases don't yet make a statistical trend - even aside from the 'man bites dog' element of news reporting.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/05/2022 22:05

The murderer wasn't his foster mother. He was removed from the foster mother who'd had him for most of the first year of his life. The murderer was in the process of adopting him with her husband. How they got through the approval process is a mystery.

YouHaveYourFathersBreasts · 17/05/2022 22:07

What gets me is beating a baby? Beating a child any age (and adults of course) is inexcusable but how fucked up in the head must you be to look at a literal baby and hate them so much (and it really sounds like she hated him) that you hit them, regularly? For doing normal baby things? Pure evil.

What makes it worse somehow is that she and her husband were going through the adoption process, they could have changed their minds at any time and someone else would have fostered the baby, no doubt about it.

whatever the reason this lovely, gorgeous little boy was removed from his birth family, I hope they are getting lots of support, especially his birth mother.

TheGinHag · 17/05/2022 22:07

Name changed.

Unfortunately I work alongside social services and provide medical examinations for suspected non accidental injuries. I would say it’s a 40% female and 60% male perpetrator ratio. And about 30% of cases it’s both parents together. And you would be surprised about how high the threshold is to actually have the kids taken away from abusive/negligent parents. It’s fucking depressing.

DarkNLovely · 17/05/2022 22:10

It's absolutely despicable that someone could hurt a little baby, he's so sweet. No matter how much a baby cries and stresses you, I can't imagine hurting them, and then doing it again after you hear them cry out.

I've decided to skim and not read the article because these are quite distressing - but he fell from a sofa? Really? How many baby sofa deaths do we think there are a year? What a piece of work, thank fuck paramedics saw through it. Every time, the parents say their child fell from the table eating dinner and died. FFS.

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uhohhereweego · 17/05/2022 22:48

whumpthereitis · 17/05/2022 21:36

This is from the US, granted, but statistically mothers are more likely to be abusers than fathers:

www.statista.com/statistics/254893/child-abuse-in-the-us-by-perpetrator-relationship/

Not sure about the UK.

Not RTFT but could it be because in many cases it is the mother that is with the child more than the father? Of course not always the case but traditionally it is.

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