Kirsty Allsop, Did you really say this? What were you thinking.

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Saying it was because of lockdown that WC could abduct, rape and murder Sarah. He would have done it regardless of lockdown.

What an idiot

This piece from earlier this year describes how a woman attending the vigil for Sarah was pinned down by officers.

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/03/sarah-everard-and-female-lockdown/618321/

Lockdown rules didn't make him commit the crime, but it certainly emboldened him.

The court verdict on his life sentence was based on the fact he used his police powers to intimidate and coerce her into his vehicle, he had been on Covid patrol a few months earlier - that no doubt gave him some ideas about how he could manipulate the boundless power he was suddenly given. Because the fact is he did Covid patrols in Jan, then spent all of Feb (according to the judgement) traveling to London to plot the crime, then went for it in March. So to pretend Covid rules had nothing to do with it is daft. He may have always commited A crime, but to do it so brazenly and publically definitely was a result of the additional powers the police were seen to be given,

She was a smart, street wise woman and I don't think under non-Covid rules, she would have gotten into the car with him given he wasn't in uniform or a patrol car. That is what he was banking on.

It's staggering the amount of people on this thread laying into a woman (KA) and castigating her for "breaking lockdown" FFS) given the subject matter.

Let's look at the behaviour of the murderer and rapist and talk about male violence against women instead of falling over ourselves to put the boot into Kirsty.

RIP Sarah.

She is putting some of the blame of Sarah’s murder elsewhere, on lockdown, when all of the blame lies with the bastard who did it. She’s anti lockdown and using this to promote her anti lockdown agenda is wrong.

And yes, I don't know how you can argue lockdown had nothing to do with it - lockdown gave the police a ridiculous amount of power, which is always open to abuse. People in my town were told off for sitting on benches and told they should be out for "essential exercise only". I felt like a criminal for doing entirely normal things. Government and police should never have been allowed to hold that much power over the public, but that's getting into politics.

I think she could have a point... even though shes an absolute fucking twat!

I'd have complied under lockdown conditions, but not under normal conditions. Sarah could have been told she's get a 10k fine if she didn't go with him for example.
I'm not sure the government can ever use the police to enforce any more lockdowns after this. It would just be ridiculous.

She is putting some of the blame of Sarah’s murder elsewhere, on lockdown, when all of the blame lies with the bastard who did it

Not quite - there is a collective agreement here that the blame for what he did also lies with porn, misogyny, rape culture, toxic culture within the Met and is (according to many) the collective responsibility of all men - and that saying it was "only down to him" isn't strictly true. If we accept that other factors played a hand in this, it's not that far fetched to also accept that lockdown rules were one of the factors that enabled him to do this so easily.

If questioning how lockdown made women vulnerable makes you anti lockdown, what's wrong with being anti lockdown? I wasn't but maybe I should have been?

Kirtsy Allsop is an idiot. But that aside, I think the real issue here is that someone who had shown multiple traits of being a sexual offender in the past wasn't receiving any interventions and so his behaviour was allowed to escalate to the point it did

It’s massively problematic because of her motivation (anti lockdown stance due to being criticised for fleeing to second home, from memory) and fucking tasteless of her to push this as the reason for a crime driven by misogyny and sexual deviance (violent porn etc). Yes COVID gave him the opportunity to pick a defenceless woman off the street and for her to not question his behaviour/be compliant but is this your first take on the matter? No, be fucking horrified about the fact that a man could be this cold blooded, kidnap, rape, kill and burn a woman then fucking fly tip her body, while popping into shops to buy coffee and then phoning the vet. Be fucking angry that this man had been involved in two incidents of exposure, watched violent porn and was known ‘jokingly’ among colleagues as the rapist.

She’s just a fucking selfish stupid cunt.

There's a bit of a logical fallacy here. You can't in one breath say all men have a collective responsibility and that less rape jokes/banter/etc would cut down horrible crimes by men like this, then dismiss Kirsty's lockdown argument saying "but he would have done it anyway". If he would have done it anyway, no amount of teaching your sons to be nice people and shutting down misogynistic banter at work, or even sacking him from the Met, would have stopped him either. It's essentially admitting defeat. "Nothing we could have done". No point changing anything then, carry on!

If we can and DO want to do something about scumbags like this committing crimes like this, one thing would be to not put them in a position where they have a ridiculous amount of power over normal citizens. Lockdown did exactly that with the police force.

But my issue is that Kirsty is doing this to push her anti lockdown agenda to help herself. That is sick.

The couple who witnessed her being handcuffed may have been more likely to stop and question what was happening, had it not been for lockdown. Under nornal circumstances they wouldn't have needed to worry if they were out and about 'illegally' or that they would have been mixing with non household members by approaching sarah.
Its actually made me think perhaps I was a bit of an idiot for complying with lockdown rules so much!

She is a total tube, a balloon.

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And she’s deleted the tweet because she realises she’s gone too far this time. But it’s served it’s purpose as attention has been given to her. Sick woman.

Or she just deleted it because she saw many people were upset.

I think she's got a point tbh but it was a bit tasteless to say it.

I haven’t read all the court details, did WC admit that he did use lockdown powers as the reason for falsely arresting SE? Or is that what police have suspected is the most likely reason? I’m not objecting or agreeing to what has been said in this post by the way, just wondered if the lockdown measures were a known fact in what happened or if that is the general conclusion of the police/court.

I don't know Kirsty personally so I don't know what her motives are. But a lot of people were anti-lockdown precisely because it made vulnerable people so much more vulnerable, and caused a lot of mental health crises. There are awful videos from Australia about police brutality during their lockdowns. It's enabled an awful abuse of power. And if that's your reasons for being anti-lockdown, then of course you would be outraged if this was one of the consequences of it. Evil people will always do evil things but there ARE things we can do to make it more difficult or deter them, equally there are things that just play into their hands. I didn't comply much with the lockdowns and broke the rules with anyone who was willing, but if an "undercover police officer" had stopped me on the way back from a friend's house I absolutely would have got in the car and think "oh shit, I've been busted". I can't think of any situation in normal life where that would have been the case.

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I think her point is valid and merits a lot more thought rather than immediate criticism. Lockdown made people vulnerable! In many ways - and until the Left in particular acknowledge this we can't learn from what happened.

Empty streets, women stuck at home with abusers, children out of school - of course lockdown was dangerous - it literally put people in danger.

It removed community, it silenced people, it gave the police far too many powers - there is no point people saying its offensive/ tactless when the reality is that there are people who have suffered enormously in many ways because of lockdown.

And yet she never made that point when DV figures were rising and largely seemed to be traveling between her homes irrespective of the rules.

Couzens used his power of arrest and position of trust to handcuff and abduct a woman. Its irrelevant which law he used - he could have accused her of being the suspect in another crime.

He was planning to kill her. He didn't have to worry about producing a real law to justify the arrest.

KA is just exploiting another woman's rape and murder to make a cheap point. The tweet seems to have been deleted in the wake of the disgust expressed.

@VitalsStable

Saying it was because of lockdown that WC could abduct, rape and murder Sarah. He would have done it regardless of lockdown.

She's right though, from what I understand he used lockdown as the excuse to fake arrest her.

She’s just a fucking selfish stupid cunt.

There’s no words to express how disgraceful it is to refer to a woman, any woman, like this - especially given the subject of this thread

I thik he could have made up any reason to stop her-they have a warrant for her arrest

been spotted shoplifting or mugging? anything would have worked

Just when you think it can’t get any worse

news.sky.com/story/sarah-everard-murder-backlash-as-north-yorkshire-police-commissioner-says-victim-should-not-have-submitted-to-false-arrest-12423202

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I don't think it would have stopped him. He wanted to rape and murder someone and would just have come up with a different way of getting a woman into his car.

Most likely he would come up with another way, however he didn't, he used lockdown as the reason to kidnap her