Mother can keep birth a secret

[MamaMaiasaura]

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7109774.stm what do you think about this?

Why are you so concerned with men's "rights" Paula, which aren't really rights at all but just means of controlling women?

no one can force a man to be a father in anything other than a biological sense..... no one can make a man care for / have any relationship with a child unless he wants one...... fathering a child in the biological sense carries with it (financial)obligations. mothers of course are also responsible for financially supporting their children who do not live with them..... the law is perfectly even handed in that respect

She can legally get an abortion, its not as simple a situation as a man's thats true but its still an option for her.

well paula, he must be a bit dense then, even for a man.You have a one night stand with a single colleague, nine montsh later she has a baby and it never crosses your mind....

YES! BECAUSE IT IS HER BODY AND HER RIGHT TO CHOOSE......AND BECAUSE AN UNBORN CHILD HAS NO LEGAL STATUS OR RIGHTS.

Oh please I don't believe its about controling women. If a woman was forced to have sex the give birth I could totally accept that but thats not what we are talking about here is it. I believe in equal rights. I don't believe that women should have all of the control. What you are talking about is controling a man's situation but that doesn't seem to bother you.

I was speaking of finacial obligations.

not all woman are Ok with having an abortion, paula, and having their child adopted is a legal and morally acceptable ( to most people) alternative

men dont have to face either of these dilemmas - they just walk away

It may be her body but its a child that belongs to both of them. They should make the descion together.

you CANT have equal right because men and woman dont have equal reponsibilites - you are completely ignoring thsi point

legislation cannot overrule biology

Kristina I don't think thats right. It shouldn't be that easy for a man. I think its a dilemma that should be shared

as many people have already pointed out paula (but you have ignored them) in these circs this child does not in any legal sense "belong" to this biological father

Having your body used as an incubator Paula is not the same as being held financially responsible for a child you have helped (only helped mind) create.

You still haven't answered why you're so concerned about men's "rights". It seems a really weird thing for a woman to concern herself with.

yes, in this perfect world, where poeple only have sex in commited long term relationships which never break down and contraception is 100% reliabel with no side effects

and every child is planned and wanted

and everyone has enough money and decent houseing

and men and women take equal reponsibility for children NOT JUST FINANCIALLY

I get that, I do. I get that its a bit more for a woman. I get that its her body. I haven't ignored that. I just don't think bioligy is enough of a reason for all of the decisions to be left up to the woman alone. You also talk like all men are bastards who just want to get rid of their responsibilities. I don't think that way. I'm not the sort of person who thinks that all men are bastards. I'm not into that sort of feminism

I'm concerned about people's rights in general. I happen to believe that everybody is entitled to rights not just women

Well I'm off to bed. Being an "Incubator" has made me very sleepy so if you'll excuse me.....

The mother was 20 years old.

She found out she was pregnant 'at a late stage' so did not want to have a termination.

She wanted to keep the pregnancy a secret from her own family as well as from the father.

The father of the child obviously wasn't in contact with the mother or his suspicions might have been raised that she was giving birth 9 months after their one-night stand.

The child will be brought up in an uncomplicated, loving family (hopefully!) without 2 estranged parents bickering over access.

There are very few babies available for adoption by childless couples. This baby was not the product of a loving relationship and its mother is allowing it to have one.

I really can't see a problem.

well said forty plus

But you're not concerned with women's rights Paula. You're concerned with men's rights to control women's bodies if they want to (which luckily most of them don't).

Thank you

One more quick thing just before I go, have you all considered what will happen if the father discovers that she had his baby. Lets say he doesn't know which is possible. What happens when he wants the adoption overturned? This has happened in the States by the way. It was awful and resulted in a child being taken from his adoptive parents at the age of three. It remains one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Just because she never told him. Don't think that couldn't happen here.

It has happened in the States... says it all, really

Get the feeling that Paula is really hoping things like that will happen here too.

I think it was in the States that some eejit tried to take a woman to court to stop her getting an abortion and force her to carry a baby for him. He had lots of supporters too mainly from misogynist mens rights activists. They don't care about babies, they just want to punish and control women.

Paula, bizarre and cruel court decisions in the States are not, thank God, applicable in this country. Adoptions are not overturned here at the request of the biological parents. As has become sadly apparent in cases of miscarriages of justice where the child has been adopted due to specious allegations of MSbP. The authorities shrug their shoulders and say, oops, tough, can't overturn an adoption.

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