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Tour de France Crash

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Chicoryhickory · 27/06/2021 22:32

I'm really feeling for that woman who held up the sign and caused the crash. I know she was too close but it was an accident and now they're threatening jail. I bet she's scared to death..

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 28/06/2021 08:58

I don't think causing a 50+ riders crash can be dismissed so easily. At least 21 riders carried on with more than just bruising, grazes etc, some were left with damaged bikes, one unable to continue.

The second was also caused by sheer stupidity and I doubt any rider will be feeling sorry for the idiots who aren't TdF regular fans, who just wanted a fun day out and forgot that this wasn't a circus parade!

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HowToMurderYourLife · 28/06/2021 09:05

It was utter stupidity. It also makes me feel a bit better that for all the stupid stuff I have done in my life I haven’t done anything quite that bad!

Whilst I do think she should be punished for her recklessness I do have sympathy for the amount of abuse she will get. No doubt when caught there will be dragging over the coals of her life and the usual internet warriors will be sending death threats and probably harassing her family too. The internet tends to take things way past the mark of what can be considered a justified response.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 28/06/2021 09:19

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BirthdayCakeBelly · 28/06/2021 09:21

@CuriousaboutSamphire she actually looks like she’s laughing in that photo.

They absolutely should prosecute her.

HarebrightCedarmoon · 28/06/2021 09:25

I hope she gets a fine or whatever and that's that, and with the sort of publicity she may get, some nutters will end up threatening her life or sexual assault or that of her family and friends and that is very disproportionate. I can imagine some proper misogynists following cycling obsessively and would use this as an excuse to indulge their hatred of women.

Yes, she was stupid and people got hurt, but there have to be degrees of punishment/public approbation in a civilised society.

Also the organisers have to take some responsibility if there have been multiple accidents involving the cycles/vehicles and public.

The sport needs cleaning up anyway massively on the drug front. Spoils it for me, I can't get into it at all.

Frymetothemoon · 28/06/2021 09:27

From the Gendarmerie's FB, this is the charge: "Blessures involontaires avec incapacité n'excédant pas 3 mois par violation manifestement délibérée d'une obligation de sécurité ou de prudence". So, basically, involuntarily causing incapacitating injuries not exceeding 3 months through a manifestly deliberate violation of a safety or caution obligation.

On yesterday's French news, they were even talking about an attempted manslaughter charge. I can't believe that people are minimising her actions. She could very easily have killed someone. I believe the cyclist were travelling at around 80km/h.

As for "she didn't know" there are almost-continuous announcements from the Tour vehicles, Gendarmes and marshals constantly reminding people to stand back, there are adverts on French TV, the Tour gives guidelines on social media. It is impossible to fence off the 200km of the route daily. Sadly some people still remain to stupid/selfish to understand the rules apply to them too, and for a reason.

I hope she hands herself in. There are other offences she could be charged with, such as fleeing the scene of an accident and "non-assistance à personne en danger" (not assisting a person who is at risk)

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HarebrightCedarmoon · 28/06/2021 09:31

Attempted manslaughter, how does that work legally then? Attempting to kill someone but not quite meaning to? Sounds like there is a lot of hyperbole around to me.

Frymetothemoon · 28/06/2021 09:34

@HarebrightCedarmoon

Attempted manslaughter, how does that work legally then? Attempting to kill someone but not quite meaning to? Sounds like there is a lot of hyperbole around to me.
I don't know. As I said, just what they mentioned on the French news last night
Frymetothemoon · 28/06/2021 09:36

@HarebrightCedarmoon

Attempted manslaughter, how does that work legally then? Attempting to kill someone but not quite meaning to? Sounds like there is a lot of hyperbole around to me.
There is also another charge "mise en danger de la vie d'autrui" i.e. endangering someone else's life, which might make sense here.
Frymetothemoon · 28/06/2021 09:37

There is another charge available, I should have said

notimagain · 28/06/2021 09:39

Well whatever happens one would hope as a result of Saturday’s accident and the resultant publicity we will see less alcohol fueled spectator fuckwittery during the mountain stages…or is that me being stupidly optimistic?

HarebrightCedarmoon · 28/06/2021 09:48

There is also another charge "mise en danger de la vie d'autrui" i.e. endangering someone else's life, which might make sense here

Yes, that sounds more reasonable.

acatcalledjohn · 28/06/2021 09:49

It's well known that as a spectator you keep out of the way for this exact reason. Her stupidity caused injury to several and she is lucky no one is more severely injured. These guys cycle at speeds north of 50km/h. I hope she's caught and charged.

VikingNorthUtsire · 28/06/2021 09:51

The crash was awful and it was heartbreaking to see all of those riders, who will have trained so hard and put so much into their race preparation, lying injured in the road.

I will nervously admit to having been in a siituation a bit like sign woman though (I didn't have a sign!). DH is a massive TdF fan and I have come to enjoy it a lot too. I have watched countless stages on TV over many years. We went to watch the race set off from a local town when they were in Yorkshire a few years ago. We read all the official information about spectating, and loads of fan blogs so we would have an idea of what to expect. Knowing that the town centre would be rammed, we chose a spot in the suburbs which we thought would be quieter and which we could reach on foot. There were no barriers. Waited by the side of the road for a long couple of hours with nothing happening - I do remember some marshals in
high vis telling us all to make sure we were standing on the pavement.

When the race finally started, there was a random trickle of safety and promotion vehicles, unevenly spaced, who whizzed past us having just completed the caravan stage and obviously grateful to speed up and get onto the road. Then... nothing. We could hear cheering in the distance. Imagine you're in a crowd with people to left and right of you. You can't see the approach of the riders, even as they get close. You have no idea where they are or how fast they are coming towards you.

As the first motorbikes with cameras reached us, I instinctively craned my upper body out a little bit to see if I could see the riders approaching - only to withdraw sharply as the peleton thundered past us. Honestly they were like a train going past and they come out of absolutely nowhere - you don't see them coming if you're packed at the side of the road. And at the start, they're all tightly bunched, there are no race leaders to give you warning that they're coming through.

If I'd craned my neck a couple of seconds later, I could possibly have knocked against a rider. If, God forbid, I'd carelessly stepped a foot off the pavement onto the road, it would have been bad.

The peleton look so stately on the TV, their progress looks really predictable, the camera angles suggest that you would see them coming. Completely different to see them in real life. It was quite scary just how close and how fast they were, and how they just come at you from nowhere.

I don't know what I think about the woman with the sign to be honest. She was certainly stupid and the crash was awful.

Chicoryhickory · 28/06/2021 10:53

@HowToMurderYourLife

It was utter stupidity. It also makes me feel a bit better that for all the stupid stuff I have done in my life I haven’t done anything quite that bad!

Whilst I do think she should be punished for her recklessness I do have sympathy for the amount of abuse she will get. No doubt when caught there will be dragging over the coals of her life and the usual internet warriors will be sending death threats and probably harassing her family too. The internet tends to take things way past the mark of what can be considered a justified response.

The more I read now I do get that it was more planned than I first thought. I agree with your response about the level of abuse that she will know be given. I don't agree with that. Punish her accordingly but I do worry for her mental state now and hope she doesn't do anything to herself.
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AlfonsoTheMango · 28/06/2021 11:15

She is an idiot absolutely lacking in any common and I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. My sympathy is for the riders affected by her stupidity.

AlfonsoTheMango · 28/06/2021 11:15

common sense

CrazyCatsAndKittens · 28/06/2021 11:36

I appreciate in some areas people are shoulder to shoulder, but you can see from the photos she had plenty of space around her to see what was going on. There was also plenty of space to move back.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 28/06/2021 14:15

VikingNorthUtsire - have another look at the pictures. She wasn’t just sticking out a bit so a rider glanced off her. She was holding her sign right out in the path of the peloton so the rider struck it right across the chest - he would have had to swerve probably eighteen inches to avoid it.
This was extreme stupidity, not a tiny misjudgment that could have happened to anyone.

Kintsugi16 · 28/06/2021 21:18

I suspect she saw the Peloton coming and thought she had time. Completely oblivious to how fast they actually move!

OverByYer · 30/06/2021 23:30

She’s been arrested now apparently

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