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i feel both sorry and hopeful for the parents of the girls who may be found in the investigation going on

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zippitippitoes · 14/11/2007 22:37

..I can't imagine what it can be like but i feel for them

and wiil,be thinking of them

this is the bodies being being found from so long ago

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zippitippitoes · 14/11/2007 23:00

i'm not very good at this.. i do feel for these families a lot but don't want to make a prurient kind of thread..but maybe someone else feels the same..

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sleepycat · 14/11/2007 23:02

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zippitippitoes · 14/11/2007 23:03

the body being found and searched for

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zippitippitoes · 14/11/2007 23:06

here

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expatinscotland · 14/11/2007 23:06

i can't believe it was actually vicky hamilton.

that was and still is a big case up here in scotland.

her mother's health went to seed after she disappeared and she died early.

her father has asked for some privacy just now.

the fact that this man was let out of prison so many times considering the gravity of his crimes, particularly the double rape/sodomy and attempted murder of those two teens in portsmith is appalling.

hunkermunker · 14/11/2007 23:12

Horrible for all concerned - the waiting must be terrible for the families of the missing girls and how dreadful to have the police all over your home like that too

Aimsmum · 14/11/2007 23:22

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expatinscotland · 14/11/2007 23:27

they think he's responsible for at least 11 murders.

he's still just as violent at 60 as he was as a juvenile when he first started getting in trouble with the law.

this man had a record going back forty three years when he was arrested - and later convicted - for the brutal rape and murder of Angelika Kluk.

why was he out after what he did to those two girls in Portsmith?

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zippitippitoes · 14/11/2007 23:29

I ti such a terrible story that is why i felt compelled to start a thread...no one to speak to

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TwoIfBySea · 15/11/2007 13:46

Couldn't move in Linlithgow this morning for the media trucks turning up. Our poor wee traffic warden was fair worked up about it.

Since the news broke yesterday I have been wondering this:

Is it better to know your child is dead, no matter how god awful her death was and how cruelly her body was dumped? (And from what is known of Tobin she would have gone through a hell that would torture a parent.)

Or is it better to never know and have that belief that perhaps she is out there somewhere?

I know Vicky's mum still held that hope she had just ran away, towards the end I think she knew otherwise. It is a truly awful situation and made worse that Tobin lengthened the pain of the family (all that digging around his old house in Bathgate) when he could have told the truth. Same goes for the family of the other missing girl and who knows how many others he has murdered. Then again monsters get off on seeing the family suffer too don't they.

TwoIfBySea · 15/11/2007 13:48

Just to add, Vicky's poster has been up in Bathgate ever since she disappeared.

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SpikeandDru · 15/11/2007 13:50

Did I just hear that they've found a second body? Sick f**ker.

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donnie · 15/11/2007 13:52

beyond tragedy. I also hope he rots in hell. How he could be out with a past record sheet like his is beyond me.

Yet another rapist and murderer of young girls given license to carry on doing what he likes.

saltireflyingatHampden · 15/11/2007 15:10

That man is one evil bastard. i remember the Vicky Hamilton case well - her poor mother died of ill health. It must be awful to have to bury your daughter after so long - but part of me feels it must be some sort of closure for them as well. To finally know - however horrific - what happened to her

Hadn't heard that about him being Bible John , wouldn't surprise me though!

expatinscotland · 15/11/2007 16:29

Vicky's half-brother Michael issued a media statement today.

Stating that their father was too upset to speak.

That poor man! His own life has been a sort of prison of the worse kind since that girl went missing.

expatinscotland · 15/11/2007 16:31

and the two girls he raped and tried to murder in porthsmith?

well, one of them couldn't cope after what happened to her.

she turned to drug and now works as a street prostitute to feed her habit.

saltireflyingatHampden · 15/11/2007 17:40

I also feel for the poor people whose house it is now. How do you go back and live there?

Eddas · 15/11/2007 18:01

it's all terribly sad. What an evil evil man.

IMO it's better to know the truth, however bad. How can you move on if you don't get closure. I know no parent wants to know their child has died but at least you can move on. If they just disappear it must destroy you. Obviously the death of a child would destroy you but, oh, not very good with words, but hopefully you get what i mean.

I'd imagine after that many years of not knowing you would have imagined every possible outcome.

Personally if I were the owner of that house I wouldn't be moving back in. God knows what he got up to in there

expatinscotland · 15/11/2007 20:33

'How can you move on if you don't get closure.'

You never 'move on' from losing a child, unfortunately.

Time doesn't heal a thing, it just puts distance between you and the event and maybe blurs the edges now and again.

My grandmother lost a child to Spanish Flu and when she died 74 years later she died whipsering that girl's name.

People just invented terms like closure and move on to help cheer others up, hence, Vicky's father is still too upset to even speak about it all, all these years later.

I'd move back into that house.

I mean, what if the people who live there have no choice?

What if they like it and it's their home?

I'd make sure no one was still lingering around there - but I'd have known that long before they started digging up had there been.

mymatemarmite · 15/11/2007 20:38

It is fairly close to where I live (about 20 miles away!)

Its awful, cant really get my head round it!

What makes people tick!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eddas · 15/11/2007 20:47

what i meant really is at least you would know. The strain of not knowing what happened must be dreadful. Maybe closure is the wrong word. I can't imagine losing a child. I lost my mother(which is totally different)four years ago and i'm sure i'll never 'get over it'. But at least I know what happened to her she didn't just disappear. I'm sure when someone just goes you are always looking for them, always.

My point about moving back in was just me. I wouldn't. My dh said the same as you. What if they have no choice. But I would still NOT move back in. Just my opinion.

expatinscotland · 15/11/2007 20:54

apparently, crime made Peter Tobin's life tick.

he's certainly got the record to prove that.

Janos · 15/11/2007 21:53

It's just unbelievable that this man was allowed out again.

Why are crimes like this not taken seriously? Well, I suppose they are, but not seriously enough

Angus Sinclair too. Both of them, they should have been locked up and the key thrown away.

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