i feel both sorry and hopeful for the parents of the girls who may be found in the investigation going on

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..I can't imagine what it can be like but i feel for them

and wiil,be thinking of them

this is the bodies being being found from so long ago

I feel really sad about this. I was 20 or so when Vicky Hamilton disappeared, and I think it was the first missing person case that really hit home.

I was a student, and when she went missing, I became much more careful about walking home alone, and checking that taxis were legit. I know many of my friends at the time felt the same - it affected lots of us in Central Scotland.

Expat, because the AK trial was big news here, most Scottish people know the background. But they can't publicise it in case it prejudices any forthcoming trial. Which makes all the news reports a bit of a farce. I saw one that said he was being held in custody in connection with the Vicki Hamilton case. The logic is that he wouldn't get a "fair trial" if his background was known. Which makes me wonder if he will get a trial by jury in Scotland for Vicki Hamilton. This is not to say that I think this is right. But it would be awful if he got off on a technicality relating to prejudicial media coverage.

Sorry - I have had a bottle of wine. I hope this makes sense. And I hope Peter Tobin rots in hell.

In Glasgow, in the '60s, three women were murdered after meeting a well-dressed, well-spoken man at Barrowlands Dancehall. On one occasion, he shared a taxi with another woman who got dropped off before he went on to murder her friend. He quoted passages from the Bible in the taxi, and was known as "Bible John".

Recently, the police exhumed a body to check for DNA, but it wasn't a match. He has never been found, but the police have never given up. Two of the women (I think) had small children at home.

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I don't think he would confess though - why should he? people like this don't confess because it allows them to maintain some kind of control even though they have been caught. In his head he probably still thinks he is 'winning' becuase he holds the secrets to all these grisly deeds and for him it means he has the upper hand.He is laughing at the police and sneering at the families....he probably even thinks he is getting away with murder, literally.

There have been quite a few cases where imprisoned killers have refused to confess to other crimes even though the police have stated they are ' not looking for anyone else' - which in translation means - he did it but we can't prove it. As I recall they believe they know the killer of Suzy Lamplugh but can't prove it - someone already in prison on a life sentence for another murder.

As Donnie says- people lik this dont confess as they fel they are still in control of the situation.

Ian Brady is a classic example of this, of course he would know whereabouts Keith Bennetts body is buried on Saddleworth Moor, but he continues to mentally torture Keith Bennetts family by failing to disclose this information.

I imagine someone as evil as Ian Brady and that Peter Tobin would get some odd satisfaction watching people search for bodies on the news- when they know exactly where they are.

hope the families of these two girls can finally get some peace in their lives.

At least now they know. I imagine the not knowing was the worst.

I suppose the families must have always known that something terrible had happened to their daughters, so at least this gives them the comfort that knowing the truth rather than the horrible limbo they had been left in up until now.

Also, big respect to the police involved in this. Hearing about it in the news is bad enough, but they are having to deal with the reality of it day in day out, and their job is to actually uncover further horrors. The amount of effort that murder detectives will put into a case is enormous.

stupid question but what happens to the people living either side of that house. must be horrid for them

they'll just have to put up with the press at their doorstep, unfortunately.

so they don't get moved out.

they may not want to be or have that choice.

i know that i'd rather have a police investigation going on in the home next door than move out with 3 kids 5 and under myself.

The more you read about Peter Tobin's life history and the fact that he had a history of extreme violence, the more it seems extraordinary that he was allowed to just carry on doing it - he was just allowed to carry on beating and raping women for most of his life. Even when he raped, drugged and attempted to murder those two girls he was out of prison in a few years.

Well on another thread someone who is a magistrate was saying how they don't want to send men who are violent towards their female partners to prison because apparently the financial strain it would put on the family is worse than the woman being beaten up regularly. Then the woman gets blamed for staying with the guy who everybody else refuses to deal with including the people who actually have the power to do something about it.

I don't think violence against women is taken seriously at any level of the justice system, right up to murder. That guy who killed two prostituted women in Camden a few years ago had already been discovered with the corpse of a young woman in his flat covered in bruises and teeth marks and cuts (and he had already tried to kill his wife) but her death was still put down to "natural causes". Same with Ian Huntley's rapes and sexual assaults against young girls - completely ignored.

So much for progress then. Sexual assault is seen as something women should just "get over" isn't it? When someone does something so evil they should be locked up and never allowed to return to do the same again.

He is back in town today, but last night some other prisoner gave him a good hiding. They should let Vicky's dad and uncle have 5 minutes with him. He could have ended their agony when he was caught for murdering Angelika.

How many more are there going to be? How many other women have been victims because he was allowed out of prison time and time again?