JW mother refuses blood transfusion and dies leaving newborn twins

[WendyWeber]

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"We can't believe she died after childbirth in this day and age, with all the technology there is."

They all share the responsibility for her death - her family, his family, the church, all of them. Can they really believe they all did the right thing?

The 144,000 comes from the Bible - 12,000 of 12 different tribes. Revalations, I think.

The 144,000 number comes from Revelation.

I really don't think anyone wanted the outcome that happened. Not the doctors, not the family, not the young woman and her husband. Life doesn't always go to plan.

As someone with Witness friends, I can vouch that the second list was much more accurate.

mmj, if you read back a page or 2 you will see a list of what IS believed by JW's

Sorry i've been sitting on my hands, and have lo to attend to so have time for just have a few rebuttals to the 101 list. (ET's list is complete but w/out scriptures noted) you can look up these scriptures where quoted in your own bible

1&2 Matt 26:39 He fell on his face and prayed, My Father if it be possible let this cup pass from me. If Father and Son were not individual, distinct beings who was Jesus praying to?

1. Col 1:15.16 He is the first-born of all creation.
2. Jehovah alone chooses who goes to heaven
3. Rev 14:1-3 The Lamb standing on Mt Zion, with him 144.000 ?.bought from the earth.
4. Study the bible and determine for yourselves who the true Christians are
5. Rev 7 speaks of a Great Crowd that come out of the great tribulation, and John 5:28,29 the hour is coming in which those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out.

16. Antichrist means against or instead of Christ 20-22, 32-34, 72. John 17:16 They are no part of the world just as I am no part of the world. Hence we remain separate from political etc?. systems 23. They are cookies for goodness sake 24. There are 5 meetings per week, it us up to the individual whether they attend or not. 26. 1 Cor 7:39 Marry only in the Lord. You must admit it is easier to have a spouse who shares your own beliefs. However it is again up to the individual to choose. 27. If you do not follow God?s Word the Bible and are unrepentant, yes you can be disfellowshipped 28. You are free to read what you like 30. Christmas and easter have no basis in the Bible as has been discussed previously in MN, therefore we do not celebrate them 35. I quite happily give to charities other than the Watchtower Society, it is an individuals decision. 37. It is up to the individual whether they accept well intentioned Christmas gifts from others who celebrate Christmas. 38. It is up to the individual to read and study Watchtower literature regularly 39. The Bible can be understood by anyone who wants to. We offer free home Bible studies to those who want to learn. 100. There is a section in the WT called Questions from Readers

"26. 1 Cor 7:39 Marry only in the Lord. You must admit it is easier to have a spouse who shares your own beliefs."

ahh - but that's just taking one quote out of an entire passage - the same as the "woman submit to your men" is often taken out on it's own and not within the context of the whole passage

QoQ, it's quite a normal teaching in the rest of Christendom to marry another believer, isn't it? There are lots of beliefs that I don't share with the Witnesses, but that one is one of the least contentious, I would have thought.

yes i should have stayed sitting on my hands .

the context was a widow to remarry, and advice was marry only in the lord, the principle applies.

20-22, 32-34, 72. John 17:16 They are no part of the world just as I am no part of the world. Hence we remain separate from political etc?. systems

Christmas and easter have no basis in the Bible

Eh?

sorry i wasn't saying priests were anti-christ, the 101 list uses the word wrongly

lissietothosefireworks, thank you for responding.

I feel deeply for all concerned in this sad situation, but am relieved to know that Anthony and her parents are being given support.

Please pass to your sister my sympathy on the loss of her friend.

1 Corin 7:39 isn't even the right bit - that's all about women being free to marry anyone she wants if her husband dies.

Corin 7:12-14 is the relevant bit

"12To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy."

or if you like a more "literal" "modern" version

"12I don't know of anything else the Lord said about marriage. All I can do is to give you my own advice. If your wife isn't a follower of the Lord, but is willing to stay with you, don't divorce her. 13If your husband isn't a follower, but is willing to stay with you, don't divorce him. 14Your husband or wife who isn't a follower is made holy by having you as a mate. This also makes your children holy and keeps them from being unclean in God's sight."

Ok it's talking about the divorce aspect of it, but it's still pretty clear that it's perfectly ok to marry a non-believer.

Neutrality.

tmmj, if someone is believed to be teaching wrong things, then that sort of slots them in the anti-christ category.

Noname I was thinking along those lines. The families faith was tested to the full. They chose to ignore their own faith in the end but lost a daughter,wife and mother anyway. I find that really sad. What will happen to them now ? will they be shunned now ?

tmmj, it's about being neutral, i.e. not partisan.

QoQ, well, I'd disagree with you there, but that's wildly off-topic.

From Wikipedia:

Family life
The family structure is patriarchal. Husbands are considered the final authority of family decisions. He is the head of his family. He must only have one wife. Wives should be submissive to their husbands and husbands are to have deep respect and love for their wives.[71] Husbands are instructed to treat their wives as Jesus treated his followers. He should not hurt or mistreat his family in any way. The father should be hardworking in providing necessities to his family. He must also provide for them in a spiritual capacity. This includes religious instruction for the family, and taking the lead in preaching activities.

Parental discipline for children should not be in a harsh, cruel way. Children are instructed to obey their parents.

Married couples are encouraged to speak with local elders if they are having problems. Married couples can separate in the case of physical abuse and neglect, and if one partner attempts to hinder the other from being a Jehovah's Witness. Divorce (with the ability to remarry) is permissible only on the grounds of adultery.

I don't do submissive, and I don't consider that unchristian.

have we gone a wee bit off topic here? should there be a new thread to discuss the pros and cons of the JW faith?

have just scanned a few posts(will read properly later)but this stuck out at me:

'. The Bible can be understood by anyone who wants to. We offer free home Bible studies to those who want to learn.'

i think the word 'understood' is rather misplaced here.'interpreted' would be a better choice.

and i was taught when studying theology that revelation is not about the end of the world,but was something written in code during a time of persecution?

anyway,as i have only read the tabloids and not the whole thread,i will only say that for a young mother to die for the sake of a book that is little more than urban legends and fairytales is absolutley tragic.