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Forbury Gardens incident

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ItsInTheShed · 20/06/2020 21:04

just seen this on twitter.....people stabbed in the park?

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-reading-incident-police-air-22226334

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Sandybval · 21/06/2020 15:05

But newspapers get the go ahead when families have been informed etc, posting it on social media straight away is abhorrent as a) there's no cenorship of what is posted, it was very graphic, the papers would fuzz out bits like that; b) families and friends of the victims would not have been told at that point, thankfully it's unlikely, but imagine if you were scrolling on social media and saw that and it was a family member? I agree in free speech etc, but posting that for likes or shares is disgusting. And okay @MrsJamin.

ArriettyJones · 21/06/2020 15:18

is it immoral/illegal when the Sun or Daily Mail do it?

Several MSM news outlets, including newspapers and television news, were censured for putting out unobscured images of one of Lee Rigby’s killers, holding a bloodied weapon and smeared in blood.

So that was considered beyond the pale, quite rightly I think. Normally news media don’t use graphic images. Certainly not of victims.

YgritteSnow · 21/06/2020 15:34

I'll let you chat about the police and BLM and I'll go away and mourn for our peaceful community instead.

Yes that is probably a good idea if you're feeling frustrated that you aren't able to control the discussion.

ItsInTheShed · 21/06/2020 15:39

‘Beyond the pale’

Are we ok to still say that?

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AllPowerfulLizardPerson · 21/06/2020 15:49

No mainstream media have republished the video of the first aiders attention to rescuscitate 3 people.

It's not the same as footage of the crime itself (which probably wouid not be published here without family consent, and possibly not before any prosecutions)

So I don't think you can say 'but it's OK' when MSM do it, when MSM are not doing no it.

Though of course the prosecution angle is also a bit of a red herring, because the video was not one of the crimes (which the police would potentially be interested in) but of emergency medical treatment after the crimes

RoseAndRose · 21/06/2020 15:50

"Are we ok to still say that?"

Yes.

Pale/palings is a type of fence (same root as pallet, I think)

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 21/06/2020 16:00

Etymology is not the be-all

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_niggardly

HerRoyalNotness · 21/06/2020 16:11

A PP already mentioned what defund the police meant. Read about it here to see exactly what is meant www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/19/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-and-does-it-have-merit/

It has merit in the US as they throw money at policing and little at other solutions. For example we have so many police that offices have officers assigned to reception area (not sure if the company pays for that) and officers directing traffic out of office buildings during rush hour. We have constables (neighbourhood), school district police force, police force (city level), sheriffs (county level) etc... so many layers of policing which surely can be streamlined to be able to provide budget for other services.

ArriettyJones · 21/06/2020 16:23

@RoseAndRose

"Are we ok to still say that?"

Yes.

Pale/palings is a type of fence (same root as pallet, I think)

Yes, that’s what I understood too. Thanks @RoseAndRose
ArriettyJones · 21/06/2020 16:31

Etymology is not the be-all

Thankfully “pale” doesn’t sound like an offensive word.

ItsInTheShed · 21/06/2020 18:31

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3412600-To-think-that-if-you-re-told-a-phrase-is-offensive-you-don-t-insist-on-using-it

Just I remember THIS thread about the phrase and wondered

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ArriettyJones · 21/06/2020 19:28

MNHQ have held mini-inquiries into this about three times over the past few years, delved into the origins of the phrase, etc.

They’ve repeatedly come to the conclusion that’s it’s okay and safe to use.

Feel free to “wonder” though, or you could just go and find the - much longer - threads on which this was done to death and MNHQ investigated.

ItsInTheShed · 21/06/2020 20:13

of course i 'feel free to wonder'...i'm laughing that you seem to think i need permission!! . you must spend a lot of time here if you can remember all the threads on one thing, but 'done to death' means nothing.....younger,new,fresh posters do have a habit of joining mumsnet and will cover this again which must be oh so tedious for some

but its how it is....and will continue to happen and be discussed again and again and NEW conclusions may even be reached Smile

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Shinesweetfreedom · 21/06/2020 20:22

Just saying
The police have asked not to upload certain videos of the attacker,as he was on video as being part of the BLM march.
He came here as a refugee,as has previously been said he is a criminal.
The BLM U.K. website also includes information that they support refugees.

Sootyandsweep2019 · 21/06/2020 21:19

I don't really get the relevance of him being a refugee. He was a refugee, who has , ( likely), done a horrendous thing. 99.9% of refugees are not committing mass murder in the UK. Why on earth would we ban / turn against refugees because of the actions of one individual ?

Nobody would suggest we turn against school caretakers because of Ian Huntley.

ArriettyJones · 21/06/2020 21:29

@ItsInTheShed

of course i 'feel free to wonder'...i'm laughing that you seem to think i need permission!! . you must spend a lot of time here if you can remember all the threads on one thing, but 'done to death' means nothing.....younger,new,fresh posters do have a habit of joining mumsnet and will cover this again which must be oh so tedious for some

but its how it is....and will continue to happen and be discussed again and again and NEW conclusions may even be reached Smile

You’re dreadfully literal, aren’t you?
ArriettyJones · 21/06/2020 21:33

@Sootyandsweep2019

I don't really get the relevance of him being a refugee. He was a refugee, who has , ( likely), done a horrendous thing. 99.9% of refugees are not committing mass murder in the UK. Why on earth would we ban / turn against refugees because of the actions of one individual ?

Nobody would suggest we turn against school caretakers because of Ian Huntley.

The only possible relevance is that maybe he’s been radicalised because he’s been traumatised and just maybe we need to be putting more psychological support in place as a matter of routine for refugees from war zones and dictatorships.

I know what you mean about Huntley but he is an interesting case because the whole criminal record check system was changed because of him. Maybe this Libyan terrorist will be the same.

If you think about the regimes of Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein and ISIS, it’s not surprising that some survivors have serious problems.

Sootyandsweep2019 · 21/06/2020 23:15

Actually @ariettyjones I didn't think of that but it's a really good point.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 22/06/2020 00:25

The only possible relevance is that maybe he’s been radicalised because he’s been traumatised and just maybe we need to be putting more psychological support in place as a matter of routine for refugees from war zones and dictatorships.

He has been in the UK for years and years and has been taking lots of drugs and committing crime constantly. He's also a recent Christian convert.

He claimed that his love of being a piece of shit druggy scumbag meant he couldn't return to Libya because piece of shit druggy scumbags aren't popular there but he was at liberty to be a druggy scum bag 'thug' in the UK.

His brother is supporting him (from Libya) and saying the UK is racist.

It doesn't seem like he's been radicalised in any particular sense. Perhaps encouraged to be a druggy scumbag nonstop for years on end and educated at the UK taxpayer's expense. That, yes.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 22/06/2020 00:28

The drugs won't help, of course, in being a psycho scumbag who stabs people to death. I'm not sure where his brother's feeling that the UK is an evil racist country comes from.

I'm sure that there's an increasing perception that the UK and other Western countries where BLM protests have been going on are racist - people in countries like Libya will see this and believe that the West is full of evil racists.

ItsInTheShed · 22/06/2020 17:37

sounds a possibility he has schizophrenia and had not been taking medication recently

released from prison 16 days ago.
third victim just named on the news,so sad for these 3 men

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ItsInTheShed · 22/06/2020 17:38

he has previous for racially aggravated crime and murders 3 white men.....and WE,the UK, are the racist ones?

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ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 22/06/2020 17:56

charming:

In November 2018 he called a police officer a “slave” and spat in her face while being detained under the Mental Health Act after reports he was attempting suicide.

The police officer described the act as “being the vilest thing she had been subjected to as a police officer”, according to the court documents.

He admitted possessing a bladed article and criminal damage after being found “apparently very drunk” by police officers in December 2018 with a butter knife in his waistband, claiming he was “out for revenge”, the judgment said, having “been attacked” and left with a head injury that required stitches.

While in custody he defaced a copy of the police code of practice “with his own excrement”.

In January 2019 he was also involved in an altercation with a security guard, during which he struck the man in the face with his belt, court documents show.

[the security guard was black]

In September 2019 Saadallah was jailed for 10 weeks after admitting spitting at District Judge Sophie Toms as she sentenced him six months earlier at Reading Magistrates’ Court for two previous convictions.

He had also breached an earlier suspended sentenced for carrying a knife in a plastic bag at a supermarket, according to the court papers.

Saadallah, who had lived in Basingstoke Road in Reading, had his overall sentence reduced to 17 months and 20 days behind bars at the Court of Appeal in March this year.

rumred · 22/06/2020 19:35

What concerns me is there's no discussion about the fact that all the people killed were gay.
Looks like a hate crime to me

ImNotWhoYouThinkIam · 22/06/2020 22:08

@rumred

What concerns me is there's no discussion about the fact that all the people killed were gay. Looks like a hate crime to me
I thought that earlier. Although I wasn't sure if they were all gay, just that they were regulars at the Blagrave. :(
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