So explain to me how you & I benefit from the rise in immigration

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Please explain to me who except the already rich employers (and translators) are benefitting - im not trying to be contentious I would just like to understand.

They are cheap labour therefore why should a british employer pay a decent wage i.e enough for you and I to pay our mortgage when they can get an immigrant willing to live 20 to a house in substandard conditions. So wages will go down.

They dont pay much tax because they are on minimum wage plus are sending a lot of their wages out of the country.

They are entitled to healthcare and as this report says are costing the police money.
news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=6167846

I also read yesterday that european immigrants are entitled to tax credits for their children who still live abroad (wtf), hospitals, police, school have to employ translators - of course this is all coming out of the piggy bank you and I have paid into for years and will continue to.

I just dont get it - SORRY!

very interesting article in our freebie paper quoting some emmigration/migration figures for our county.

In the last 5yrs the population has risen by 13,000.

Last 5yrs 80,000 (roughly) people have moved into the county, 4,800 of them were foreign nationals.

In the same period approx 67,000 people have move out of the county, 4,500 of them foreign nationals........

So - of that 13,000 increase only 300 of them were foriegn nationals...........

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=483225&in_page_id=1770&in_page_ id=1770&expand=true#StartComments

'The Trajkowski family qualify for child benefit because their father works in London as a builder and pays his taxes. Like all migrants from the eight East European countries which joined the EU in 2004, he won the right to claim state benefits after working here for a year.'
what's so wrong with that then? He works hard, he pays his taxes, he gets child support. His wife and children get it in Poland, presumably because life is cheaper over there. Bloody Daily Mail.

sorry child benefit.

Good post PSC - I totally agree.

I would also like to add that it is high time schools educate pupils about other cultures and languages and I'm not talking token gestures here. When I was at school (35 now)the curriculum was very imperialist. In History we were taught about the great battles Britain fought and there was nothing about the rape, pillage and hunger (potato famine in Ireland) or how we tried to strip a country of it's language (the Irish had to teach their children behind bushes). In R.E we learned about Christianity with some token info on Moslems and Sikhs. We learned nothing about the effects of globalisation on cross-cultural societies when we were taught Geography. Has it really changed that much since? That is an earnest question as some of you may have been at school more recently than me. I went to a Comprehensive - I suspect those of you who were grammar or public school educated will have had a more rounded education.

imperialistic

I genuinely wonder about some of your lives if immigrnats really do double your stress lvel- either you have such a low base stress level that I envy you completely (but wouldn't be able to cope with your life as adrenaline is what keeps me going), or you get really stressed over some very unimportant things. All myc hopping etc is done in a city which has a pretty high immigrant level I guess (certainly comapred to Somerset from where I originally come), but beyong thinking 'Oh what language are they using i wonder'- I can't say its ever bothered me! if the aldy is Asda doesn't chat- thank goodness, its easier for me to chase the kids without trying to keep up my end of an inane conversation!

Widens the gene pool?

Is there also not a sound genetic argument for migration?

I mean, I appreciate you lot are hardly breeding with your brother and all that but still......

Anyone know?

Oh, that's 'you lot' as in native brit + native brit = 2.4 tiny native brits.

"I appreciate you lot are hardly breeding with your brother and all that . . . "

I am originally from Norfolk, how dare you mock the ways of an indigenous people?

MTP- booking form question on the latest form (wasn't on first three, dont know if it is a new move or a Welsh thing)-

Is the father of your baby a blood relation

So, apparently SOMEONE must be breeding with their brother (or similar)...

That's deeply disturbing Peachy.

Firstly because they ask it, but mostly because they have had to start asking it.

Your home town must be full of people with an extra finger on each hand and webbed toes.

Vacua, I apologise to you and your brotherson and your unclehusband for my lack of respect. I am ashamed of myself.

I accept your apology, if only all mumsnetters could display both as much cultural sensitivity and humility . . .

This thread has reminded me of an idiotic bloke on the train back from Heathrow airport - he had a tiny suitcase in the middle of the bottom luggage rack, so had to move over it to get mine in which there was plenty of space for next to it, which caused a lot of swearing about "f***g foreigners, rant rant rant, moving my bags."

Was fuming. Almost stood up & had a go a for swearing in front of several children including my DD & say that you must be an ignoramus if it didn't click that BRITISH people go on holiday.

Perhaps we should have a system for selective emmigration from the country ......

He was British by the way and exactly the type you see on programmes showing drunken British yobs abroad!

Thing is MTP, I come from Somerset- in fact the twn I lived in geneuinely ahd the highest rate of recorded incest at one point (!)- is it really worse here???? I suspect not!

Good lord.

They keep records?

Is it a new Census question then?

What is your occupation
What is your income
how many bedrooms does your house have
Have you ever shagged your sister

Seriously, don't we have laws against this kind of thing or do they mean cousins?

Most of my friends are immigrants

that benefits me, obviously, not sure it it does much for you but there you go

sorry that was in answer to the OP

I can see things have moved on somewhat since then

(webbed fingers )

I'm not sure, cousins I'd have thought- the incest thing back home was from a member of the police family protection unit team, not unsurprisingly we had a smilarly high level of mental disabilities - I think that's what instigated the research tbh (was a good many years ago though, when I was 18- sure title will have passed elsewhere by now)

That's not a title you'd want to put on your town's webpage, is it?

Wedmore- UK Incest Capital Since 2003

Wedmore you avin a larf? I'm not that posh!

(erm bridgy girl me)

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