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Madeleine McCann

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morningpaper · 11/09/2007 20:49

Instead of starting lots of new posts about Madeleine, could I politely request that anyone who wants to post on the subject please post on this one thread? (N.B. Duplicate threads may be flamed hysterically.)

Please note that this thread is not to criticise Madeleine's parents or family, as this is not in the spirit of Mumsnet.

Please can I take the liberty to quote from this article:

"This is the real life of Kate and Gerry McCann, and it must now have become a place of agony beyond all understanding. Pity them, if you have any compassion at all, and demonstrate the minimum of grace: the ability to desist from judgment."

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Tomliboos · 15/09/2007 19:24

I think they've done a good thing if they've set up a fund to help them prove their innocence. They've been through enough and anyone who has lost and then been attacked should have the same help. Maybe when this is over the rest of the fund will go to some legal aid for parent's who are similarly blamed.

You never know, it could be the case that someone took Maddie to traffic, saw the huge publicity and is too scared to attempt to pass her on and has been looking after her really well in case they are found out. Who knows, maybe they will release her and there will be a happy ending and all the money raised can go to help the other parents in similar situations.

That's my hope anyway.

NadineBaggott · 15/09/2007 19:29

I agree Blu it would have been better to say
"The Madeleine tragedy sucked the carefree out of summer."

FluffyMummy123 · 15/09/2007 19:36

Message withdrawn

ELF1981 · 15/09/2007 20:50

Okay, I have been away for a while (since they were named suspects I think) and I did wonder how this all panned out on Mumsnet.

I personally have trouble believing that her parents hid her body and then disposed of her. Not because I think they are innocent (I haven't got a bloody clue) but because HOW would they have done it with the worlds media watching their every goddamn move. I think that one paper had a Madeleine front page for every day of her disappearance - articles on even simple things like the parents movements. Good God, they couldn't even fly home without a reporter sitting on the plane near them and noting when Kate cried.

I do not think they were right to leave their children, it isn't something that I would do, but as I said at the very beginning, I'm sure if Kate examined my parenting skills, she'd find things that I do that she wouldn't - such is the variety of life.

I do hope they get the news they are hoping for, I am not sure if they will.

I do admit to getting angry when articles back the McCanns with reference to "the dirty sicko that took their daughter" (paraphrasing from the Mirror there!) because there is NO evidence she has been taken aside from some "sightings" which have not been proven yet.

lucyellensmum · 15/09/2007 21:12

mumofteens, you sum up my thoughts and fears very well in your post, i am sure i am not the only one who feels this way, they are being set up, of that i am 100% sure.

If, IF the forensics re the car are true, which i seriously doubt, it could be due to stuff being planted, far fetched, yeah well so is doctors feeding sleeping tablets to a child. I am sure this avenue must have been adressed but i am very interested to know who had the car in the 25 days before the Mc Canns hired it.

We must still believe this little girl is alive, anything else is just too tragic.

lucyellensmum · 15/09/2007 21:17

Another thing that bugs me is this, ive not read the recent report about the sleeping tablets but i understand that they are saying that there was toxicological proof from the samples that the little girl had significant amount of sleeping tablets in her system. Im not a forensic expert by any means but i do have a biochemistry background and what i know is this. It is possible, using relatively reliable techniques to take a minute, unanalysable (sp!) amount of DNA, and amplify it to the point where it can be anaylsed for sequencing. However, as far as i am aware, this is not possible to do with drugs. So there would have to be a significant amount of forensic material to work with. This was not the case, as i understood it. The drugs would not affect the DNA so im not sure how they have demonstrated this, i would be interested to see if anyone else can explain this to me.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 15/09/2007 21:25

Jeremy Clarkson (not my usual taste in 'journalist') summed it perfectly for me today in an article. (Cant find it, i've tried).

Basically said that he doesnt know what has happened, doesnt dwell on it much - moreso the speculation, but, couldnt believe that any parent could kill their child - accidentally or otherwise, and then go on to have a meal and an evening out with friends.

welshdeb · 15/09/2007 21:26

I think forensics will be able to detect traces of any drugs in the hair, if they are sure it belongs to her.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 15/09/2007 21:28

They can, but will only indicate toxins over a period of time, not from that day.

Desiderata · 15/09/2007 21:33

Madeleine McCann is hiding up Philemina McCann's jumper.

Honest.

Tamum · 15/09/2007 21:35

lucyellensmum, they would be using the hairshaft, which of course is of no use for DNA analysis, and I would guess something like HPLC which certainly doesn't need much material.

HorribleHorace · 15/09/2007 21:42

is that meant to be a joke Desiderata?

Desiderata · 15/09/2007 22:07

No, horace.

I'm being dreadfully serious.

totaleclipse · 15/09/2007 22:11

Why do the portuguese police keep coming up with random ideas, if you put it all together it would read, the parents (who are doctors) accidently overdosed Madeleine, they hid her body, where not one of the thousand of people seaching looked, went out for a carefree dinner, faked her abduction, did everything in thier power to involve the media, 25 days later moved the bosy in the boot of the hire car, took it to a guy on boat (without anyone seeing) who disposed of the body miles in, then dispite all thier cover ups in the previos 25 days, they forgot to check the boot and carelessly left a clump of hair in there

FFS that is such a load of crap, its like a very badly written novel.

UCM · 15/09/2007 22:25

Everything is alleged though, there has been no publication of the findings of any results whatsoever yet.

It's almost as if someone said 'I know a good one to boost news' lets say there was fluid in the car.

Then realised that the car hadn't been hired until however many days later. Darn. But everyone has picked up on it and now, believe it or not, some DNA has shown up in a hire car used by Maddonna in France.

It's madness I tell you, nothing whatsoever has been ACTUALLY released yet.

UCM · 15/09/2007 22:29

For all we know, they could suspect one of the people whom the McCanns were dining with. Again, nothing has been publicised.

I have recently gone back to work and the amount of people who believe what they have read, supposedly intelligent people. I have said to them 'Do you know for sure if that is true, if so, where are the publications' and they are shaking their heads at me as I am mad.

I have repeatedly told people that I hope they never ever serve on a jury this week.

UCM · 15/09/2007 22:30

Anyway FWIW, I am with Desi, she is along with Shergar and Lord Lucan. That woman sure has a bagful of stuff going on

binkleandflip · 15/09/2007 22:31

I suspect this story will fade away in the coming months

All the speculation and rumours will prove unfounded or unprovable
The dna test etc will be too inconclusive to charge anyone,
Madeleine will still be missing and the McCanns will be living in limbo for the forseeable future...

I truly cant see any resolution on the horizon at all. Then again what the feck do I know? Could all change by Monday..

Howdydoody · 15/09/2007 22:32

Anyone else think it's a smoke screen so the real abductor thinks they are off the hook and slips up? (I am not talking about the guy who is also a suspect btw)

binkleandflip · 15/09/2007 22:32

no

totaleclipse · 15/09/2007 22:35

no, me neither

Blu · 15/09/2007 22:36

no, not me.

Howdydoody · 15/09/2007 22:38

Oh ok then - that seems pretty conclusive

Your on yer own Howdy!!

UCM · 15/09/2007 22:38

Someone posted about the book & the film. The poor McCanns may not be able to go back to being Doctors after this as there are so many people who may think that they were involved even if there is no evidence against them. If I had two other children to bring up, I would take the cash from anything in this situation.

UCM · 15/09/2007 22:39

Earlier post should have read as If I were mad.

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