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Rather terrifying article about social workers attempting to take baby from its mother as soon as its born.

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Callisto · 29/08/2007 08:29

It was in the Sunday Telegraph which I got round to reading last night. The story plus a couple of related articles is here: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/26/nbaby126.xml

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Difers · 01/09/2007 20:49

Great Website Fran!! Crazy Crazy situation.

There is huge pressure on Social Services staff to meet targets regardless of ethics, regardless of suffering caused. This government is obsessed with telling people that services have improved but all that is hapening is that the statistics are made to look good.

LittleBella · 01/09/2007 21:05

John Hemming, I'm disturbed that there are things you're not allowed to talk about evil stuff going on - I presume that's because it would involve naming individuals? Would you be allowed to talk about them in parliament?

FranLyon · 01/09/2007 21:12

Hello Mog,

I have great friends and family around who are fantastically supportive. They've been wonderful throughout everything that has happened, and I've no doubt that they will stand by both Molly and I. It just worries me that it causes them so much distress.

Thanks,

Fran

johnhemming · 01/09/2007 22:08

The limits are about contempt of court. I have tried to raise these in parliament, but not as yet had an opportunity.

LittleBella · 01/09/2007 22:10

Do you have much support in parliament John? I know that Geoffrey Howe has been brilliant on this issue, but I haven't heard of anyone else (apart from you) speaking out on this.

onlyamum · 02/09/2007 04:46

unfortunately it isnt just unborn babies, as long as any child is being dragged through the family courts the experts , judges, sols , barristers , soc workers, etc etc are being paid a huge amount of money for their role (in many cases) of the families destruction.
ive known about this draconian scandal for 2 1/2 yrs.....
once the process starts its extremely hard to stop it.
i spend my last day with my son tomorrow, i cant really say anymore than that, apart from being disabled just gives them a weapon in which to use...
take care all

incognitoHV · 02/09/2007 07:35

I find all this quite shocking. Have read through the stuff on Fran's website and some of the news stories surrounding it.
Some of the concerns seem to be in Fran's history of an eating disorder - FGS I had an eating disorder as a teen and in my 20s which I had help for - nobody threatened to take my baby away when I got pregnant in my 30s.

I know we don't know all the information about the case but to take a letter from a paediatrician who has never met Fran and to use that opinion in preference to all other evidence is horrifying.

Where I work I have families who struggle for whatever reason and have social services involvement - I've never known my area to do anything like this though. Everyone deserves the chance of proving themselves and I am shocked that Fran is not being given this opportunity. I hope so much that there is some commonsense at the appeal and that Fran gets her opportunity.

Thinking of you Fran - just don't know what to say but am appalled that you are not being given the opportunity you should be. Just so hope the appeal goes in your favour.

StealthPolarBear · 02/09/2007 07:46

onlyamum at your last sentence
Don't know if it's a similar thing to this thread or something completely different (hopefully different). Do you have some support in RL or here?
(Sorry if I'm just not aware of your story)

johnhemming · 02/09/2007 07:55

There is an amount of support in the House of Commons on the issues of Public Family Law and the Family Courts.

Incidentally there is another story in the Sunday Telegraph today about Fran's case and an attempt to knobble witnesses by the Local Authority

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/02/nsecrecy102.xml

johnhemming · 02/09/2007 07:58

Incidentally I think it is Earl Howe rather than Lord Howe of Aberavon that has been more vocal on these issues.

WideWebWitch · 02/09/2007 08:47

I hope the social worker is suspended.

Is there anything we can do Fran/John Hemming?

NormaStanleyFletcher · 02/09/2007 08:51

If it was a criminal case would that social worker now be interfering with a witness and liable to prosecution?

Good Luck Fran

johnhemming · 02/09/2007 09:08

www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section22/chapter_a.html#05

Public Family Law is arguably "public justice"

If anyone wishes to back the Justice for Families campaign please send email addresses to [email protected]

Any offers of funds should go to the Angela Cannings Foundation (which deals with miscarriages of justice in the Family and Criminal Courts). Cheques can be sent to me at the House of Commons and I will pass them to William Bache and Co solicitors who manage the fund.

Justice for Families only runs on an electronic basis at the moment. (email, websites). This means that our costs are very low. The ACF offers support for mothers and fathers facing miscarriages of justice.

johnhemming.blogspot.com/2007/03/justice-for-families-launch-of-angela.html
business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article1580839.ece

WideWebWitch · 02/09/2007 09:10

Thank you, I'm pleased an MP is involved in this.

Mog · 02/09/2007 09:31

John/Fran
Have the local papers picked this up? We are based in the north east but dh is a national newspaper journalist.

jenk1 · 02/09/2007 11:34

onlyamum-i think we may know each other, and if you are who i think you are
please post on the other website that you go on as well as we are all thinking of you on there,

jen
x

FranLyon · 02/09/2007 13:24

Hello,

The local papers have picked it up - it was in the journal last week and it was in the Sunday Sun (NE paper - not the national) today.

Which paper does your Dh work for Mog?

Thanks,

Fran

Mog · 02/09/2007 14:45

Hi Fran,
I don't like to say on a national forum. Is there an email contact on your website and I'll let you know.
Take care

FranLyon · 02/09/2007 15:08

Hello Mog,

You can get me on [email protected]

Thanks,

Fran

Mog · 02/09/2007 17:19

emailed you Fran

milliec · 12/09/2007 13:06

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TheMolesMother · 12/09/2007 14:44

There. Are. No. Words.

This is appalling. Surely this is illegal?

And these people have the gall to call the Daily Mail vile?

MM

lulumama · 12/09/2007 14:45

surely legal action can be taken to stop this? an injunction? it cannot be right to publish that.

ruty · 12/09/2007 15:41

can't access the page. not quite sure what their motive is. any more info?

TheMolesMother · 12/09/2007 15:48

Here is the text of the blog entry:

The Daily Mail and its lies about child protection

The Daily Mail is vile. Everybody, apart from its readers, must know that. But the problem is the sheer number of people who do read it ? more than the Guardian, Times, Telegraph and Independent put together!

Many social workers, with their tendency to a more liberal and tolerant world view, prefer to just ignore the Mail and all it stands for. But the trouble is the Mail doesn?t ignore them back.

It feeds the 2.3million people who read it every day a constant drip drip of poison against social care staff, questioning the profession?s competence as well as its motives.

And I say 2.3million ? that?s the number who buy it, meaning that at least twice that number read it. That?s quite frightening really.

It suggests that almost 5 million people will have seen the story yesterday
about the ?scandalous? behaviour of social workers who have told a woman called Fran Lyon they plan to take her baby away from her shortly after it is born. The piece is written in an emotional, some would say lurid, style, detailing how the woman, ?who has never harmed anyone? does not know if she will get to hold her baby.

It?s clearly a very sad case but, as every child care professional reading it will know, there is another side to the story. A side that those 5 million Mail readers will not get to hear.

Why should we care about what Mail readers think? Well, for one thing it helps stoke up real hatred against social workers. The story of Fran Lyon prompted one person to write a blog headed ?Save A Life ? Shoot A Social Worker"

That can?t be a good thing.
But, for what it?s worth, Community Care readers will get to hear the other side. On September the 20th we will be running a feature examining the way Fran Lyon?s story was hijacked by the Mail (and the Telegraph) through no fault of her own and how key facts about her psychiatric history were omitted.

Some Community Care readers have written in saying they don?t want to read about ?child-snatcher? allegations against social workers in the national media. Notably 32 members of the social work team at Bolton Council protested at our coverage of John Hemmings and his claims that children were being taken into care to meet adoption targets.
I think Community Care shouldn?t ignore every anti-social worker story that appears in the national media (though you have to ignore a lot of them otherwise it becomes too exhausting!) Hopefully our coverage of Hemmings ? and the forthcoming feature on the Lyon case ? is helping, just a tiny bit, to set the record straight. It?s at least worth a try, surely?

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PS - Mumsnet Towers, if this isn't allowed please delete.

MM